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JUAN DELA CRUZ
Mad Scientist
Philippines
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 Posted - Aug 03 2011 : 05:57:02 AM
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Grid-powered Generator = *not feasible
How about the work of Nikolai Tesla --the harvesting of Energy from the environment? Have you heard about it? Do you think their is a chance to have a infinite source of renewable energy such as harvesting energy just like Tesla works? Btw, is their any *proof that this exist?
Oh well. . . curiosity is in the air for me. LOL! I think I want to experiment. :-)
. . .nobody knows someday We can avail infinite yet clean source of energy. (apparently, aside from Dangerous Nuclear energy and the common source today) |
juan dela cruz
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Edited by - JUAN DELA CRUZ on Aug 03 2011 06:03:50 AM |
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wasssup1990
Nobel Prize Winner
A Land Down Under
2261 Posts |
Posted - Aug 03 2011 : 09:29:57 AM
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Ummm, did you forget the sun? It ain't gonna last forever but it'll last quite a long time, and that's an epic understatement. Anyone can make use of the sun to do work. You don't need a PV array if you find them to be too expensive. They are pretty inefficient anyway at present. You can warm a house quite cheaply if you put enough black hose on your roof and pump air through it - circulating inside your house.
About Tesla. I remember reading one of his patents where he had a long rod stuck in the ground and then a plate erected high in the air. The difference in potential between these two conductors can be used to do work. How much work you might ask? Well I dunno. It's probably impractical for most people anyway. 
I believe old telegraph stations used "Earth Batteries" to power their RF transmissions over good distances. I have replicated an earth battery in the past, with success, but the amount of power I got was pathetic (for a simple setup). There are natural currents that flow through the earth and the atmosphere (lightning), you just need to capture it. Just don't expect to produce power levels that can do work with a direct connection. You'll need to collect the energy and use it at the rate that your appliances demand and then you'll have to disconnect your loads and wait for your batteries to recharge again. 
Good solar cells are probably too hard to make yourself. BUT! Wind power is easier to harvest with a modified ceiling fan motor or similar. YouTube is your friend. Go and see what others are doing.
Good luck.  |
When one person suffers from a delusion it is called insanity.
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Aaron Cake
Administrator
Canada
6717 Posts |
Posted - Aug 04 2011 : 09:50:44 AM
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Originally posted by wasssup1990
Some related videos in no particular order:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-7iSmC4s5A
In this video, I find it pretty laughable that they show a 2 cylinder compressor pump being run by a tiny scooter motor, powered by a bike generator. Such a compressor pump would typically be run by a 5HP electric motor. Yeah, they can freewheel the pump but my cordless drill will freewheel my 2 cylinder (14 CFM) compressor pump as well. Try to do any work with that pump and I'd love to see her spin it. The 5HP motor running my compressor pump draws 28A @ 240V when the pump is under load. Let's see her make 5HP for more than 20 seconds.
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Originally posted by JUAN DELA CRUZ
How about the work of Nikolai Tesla --the harvesting of Energy from the environment? Have you heard about it?
Well, we know we can harvest random radio waves, but getting usable amounts of power is another thing entirely. Tesla talked about "the ether" and such, which for the time was about the level of scientific understanding. We all know now that there is no "ether". But sure, with a huge enough antenna you may get a few mA at a few volts. Or, if you live under some high tension power lines, set up a huge coil in your attic and power your house! Of course, the power company will notice the draw (many documented cases of this happening).
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Do you think their is a chance to have a infinite source of renewable energy such as harvesting energy just like Tesla works? Btw, is their any *proof that this exist?
There is no such thing as an infinite source of power because even the universe itself is not infinite.
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. . .nobody knows someday We can avail infinite yet clean source of energy. (apparently, aside from Dangerous Nuclear energy and the common source today)
Nuclear energy is absolutely not dangerous and is the cleanest, safest and most efficient source of power we have today.
A little bit of reading on a previous nuclear discussion:
http://www.aaroncake.net/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=8912&whichpage=2 |
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JUAN DELA CRUZ
Mad Scientist
Philippines
476 Posts |
Posted - Aug 04 2011 : 11:47:42 AM
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Originally posted by wasssup1990
Ummm, did you forget the sun? It ain't gonna last forever but it'll last quite a long time, and that's an epic understatement. Anyone can make use of the sun to do work. You don't need a PV array if you find them to be too expensive. They are pretty inefficient anyway at present. You can warm a house quite cheaply if you put enough black hose on your roof and pump air through it - circulating inside your house.
About Tesla. I remember reading one of his patents where he had a long rod stuck in the ground and then a plate erected high in the air. The difference in potential between these two conductors can be used to do work. How much work you might ask? Well I dunno. It's probably impractical for most people anyway.
I believe old telegraph stations used "Earth Batteries" to power their RF transmissions over good distances. I have replicated an earth battery in the past, with success, but the amount of power I got was pathetic (for a simple setup). There are natural currents that flow through the earth and the atmosphere (lightning), you just need to capture it. Just don't expect to produce power levels that can do work with a direct connection. You'll need to collect the energy and use it at the rate that your appliances demand and then you'll have to disconnect your loads and wait for your batteries to recharge again.
Good solar cells are probably too hard to make yourself. BUT! Wind power is easier to harvest with a modified ceiling fan motor or similar. YouTube is your friend. Go and see what others are doing.
Good luck.
Hey johnny its been a long time! :-)
Are you still studying?
Anyways, on the topic. . . Yeah, Solar cells is not a good choice for
me coz most of the time we have a typhoon here in the Philippines and it will be too costly for powering a house.
Pedal powered/ wind generator can be a great option --to charge batteries and then use that charged to power an inverter.
But, I have been realised that "earth battery" thing. I have seen
in some Filipino forum site that this can be feasible* in some aspects if proper choosing of plates is done (e.i. the anode and the cathode). I will take a look to its also.
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JUAN DELA CRUZ
Mad Scientist
Philippines
476 Posts |
Posted - Aug 04 2011 : 12:21:38 PM
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Originally posted by Aaron Cake
quote:
Originally posted by wasssup1990
Some related videos in no particular order:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-7iSmC4s5A
In this video, I find it pretty laughable that they show a 2 cylinder compressor pump being run by a tiny scooter motor, powered by a bike generator. Such a compressor pump would typically be run by a 5HP electric motor. Yeah, they can freewheel the pump but my cordless drill will freewheel my 2 cylinder (14 CFM) compressor pump as well. Try to do any work with that pump and I'd love to see her spin it. The 5HP motor running my compressor pump draws 28A @ 240V when the pump is under load. Let's see her make 5HP for more than 20 seconds.
quote:
Originally posted by JUAN DELA CRUZ
How about the work of Nikolai Tesla --the harvesting of Energy from the environment? Have you heard about it?
Well, we know we can harvest random radio waves, but getting usable amounts of power is another thing entirely. Tesla talked about "the ether" and such, which for the time was about the level of scientific understanding. We all know now that there is no "ether". But sure, with a huge enough antenna you may get a few mA at a few volts. Or, if you live under some high tension power lines, set up a huge coil in your attic and power your house! Of course, the power company will notice the draw (many documented cases of this happening).
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Do you think their is a chance to have a infinite source of renewable energy such as harvesting energy just like Tesla works? Btw, is their any *proof that this exist?
There is no such thing as an infinite source of power because even the universe itself is not infinite.
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. . .nobody knows someday We can avail infinite yet clean source of energy. (apparently, aside from Dangerous Nuclear energy and the common source today)
Nuclear energy is absolutely not dangerous and is the cleanest, safest and most efficient source of power we have today.
A little bit of reading on a previous nuclear discussion:
http://www.aaroncake.net/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=8912&whichpage=2
Hi Aaron its been a long time too for me to visits on your great site!
Well, I agree "nuclear energy" can be not DANGEROUS in some manner if proper handling of TONS OF RADIO ACTIVE WASTE MATERIALS from its Power Plant. But, hey, that waste is still radio active that can harm our environment and of course including as humans and other organism. Have you watched the news a few months ago for what happened in Japan Nuclear Power Plant because of the Magnitude 9 earthquake?
We know that earthquake is not predictable. It can happen in no time. Yes, their is a lot of New and advanced instrument for it but Nature has its own some kinda "timing technique" that we human can't 100% predict IT.
THERE IS A LOT OF RISKS IN NUCLEAR ENERGY. I think its the WORST thing that the human had ever invented.
. . .well thats only my opinion.
* For that matter, it is better to deal with "less feasible yet safe" source of energy.* |
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Aaron Cake
Administrator
Canada
6717 Posts |
Posted - Aug 05 2011 : 09:51:43 AM
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Originally posted by JUAN DELA CRUZ
Hi Aaron its been a long time too for me to visits on your great site!
Good to have you back. 
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Well, I agree "nuclear energy" can be not DANGEROUS in some manner if proper handling of TONS OF RADIO ACTIVE WASTE MATERIALS from its Power Plant. But, hey, that waste is still radio active that can harm our environment and of course including as humans and other organism.
Here's the thing though: it is only because of lobbying by environmental groups, terrorist organizations like Greenpeace, anti-nuclear arms people and the ignorant public that the waste is not reprocessed and used again. We are tossing away waste that still has years of useful life in it if only it was reprocessed. But since reprocessing can provide materials to make weapons, up until recently there was massive political and regulatory hurdles. That is being relaxed, but is still a huge issue. The link below explains it better than I can:
http://www.world-nuclear.org/info/inf69.html
You'll find that reading up on nuclear power, most of the problems are not technical at all, but political. Public fear, driven by "environmental" organizations, lobbyists and absolute ignorance has forced politicians (often paid off by these organizations) to regulate nuclear power into oblivion and make it ridiculously artificially expensive and complicated to run a nuclear power plant. Much of this, frankly, is absurd.
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Have you watched the news a few months ago for what happened in Japan Nuclear Power Plant because of the Magnitude 9 earthquake?
Yes, with disgust, I watched the mainstream news coverage of the event and all the doom and gloom that sells news reports and keeps the public watching. Thankfully, there were a few reports (online) that were able to cut through the bullshit. Overall the best real coverage I read was provided by The Register. Lewis Page wrote a series of articles while the crisis was happening and based on the information at the time, they were a very accurate and well balanced (though there is some bias) report of the actual issues. I agree with most of what he says and urge you to read the following articles. They are ordered chronologically earliest to most recent top to bottom:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/03/11/japanese_nuclear_emergency/
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/03/12/second_nuke_plant_emergency/
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/03/12/japanese_meltdown/
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/03/13/japanese_nuclear_site_update/
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/03/14/second_explosion_at_fukushima_daiich/
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/03/14/fukushima_update/
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/03/14/fukushiima_analysis/ <--very good
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/03/14/fukushima_reactor_update/
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/03/15/fallout_sms_hoax/
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/03/15/fukushima_update_tuesday/ <-- oops, and then it breached
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/03/15/fukushima_reactor_shell_reported_breached/
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/03/16/fukushima_workers_evacuated/
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/03/16/fukushima_wednesday/
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/03/17/fukushima_thursday/
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/03/17/nuclear_future_and_gas/
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/03/18/fukushima_friday/
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/03/21/fukushima_after_weekend_2/
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/03/21/fukushima_vid/
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/03/22/fukushima_tuesday_2/ <--very good
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/03/23/tokyo_tapwater_fukushima/
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/03/25/fukushima_scaremongering_debunk/
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/03/29/tv_news_goes_hollywood/
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/03/31/fukushima_panic_breaks_completely_free_of_facts/ <-- very good
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/04/12/fukushima_ffs/
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/06/03/fukushima_iaea_preliminary_report/
That is a LOT of reading, I know. But it is an entirely different and rather sane view of the entire situation, unlike what was provided by the mainstream news.
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THERE IS A LOT OF RISKS IN NUCLEAR ENERGY. I think its the WORST thing that the human had ever invented.
. . .well thats only my opinion.
My question here is, what is this opinion based on?
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* For that matter, it is better to deal with "less feasible yet safe" source of energy.*
Nuclear power is by far the safest, cheapest (once the regulation is cleared up) and most efficient form of power generation we have. That's not opinion, that's fact based upon study after study. |
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wasssup1990
Nobel Prize Winner
A Land Down Under
2261 Posts |
Posted - Aug 05 2011 : 12:28:22 PM
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Originally posted by JUAN DELA CRUZ
Hey johnny its been a long time! :-)
Are you still studying?
Hi Juan. I can't remember what we were talking about last time, whenever that was, but yes I am still studying. Electronics Engineering = graduated with high marks and a a big  , Computer Science = in progress. Both courses were taken at two different places. I really want to start kicking some butt when it comes to designing and selling my own equipment and gadgets.
Good to have you back. |
When one person suffers from a delusion it is called insanity.
When many people suffer from a delusion it is called religion. |
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JUAN DELA CRUZ
Mad Scientist
Philippines
476 Posts |
Posted - Aug 06 2011 : 8:42:58 PM
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@Aaron,
Informative post :-) !
Well, different people have sometimes the same perspective view but most often they dont. Lol!
@Johnny,
That's good that your graduated (E.C.E.?)
Are you a licensed Engr. now? Thats really good for you pal.
Well, it reminds me to finish my study lol! (not yet graduated, need to work first)
I used to worked as a Technician in a cell phone repair company here in the Philippines (I currently ended my contract last month) to finance my study. (a working student -- not a easy stuff)
Now, I am planning to finish what I have started. (Bachelor of Science in Industrial Technology) |
juan dela cruz
Penniless INVENTOR |
Edited by - JUAN DELA CRUZ on Aug 06 2011 8:47:48 PM |
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