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Binary 1011001101
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Posted - Apr 14 2007 :  11:17:20 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I saved it as a JPG because express sch saves it as that and no other options, most of the time it is ok.
You can upload to here? I didn't know that, how do I do it

The flip flop I used was a SN74LS76AN. I also tried a darlington pair to drive the 3055, the low power BFY51 transistor hot VERY hot

Anyway, If I use your circuit without the op-amps and in place of the CD4047 there is a 555 and flip-flop giving the correct frequany would it work?

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fedfray
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Posted - Apr 23 2007 :  12:53:30 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
hi audioguru.... u r an expert for electronic for me...can i ask something? for 500w inverter...can i paralel 6 trafo 10 A at 12 Vac for replacing 60 Ampere trafo 12/220 vac. i think it's more cheaper
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audioguru
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Posted - Apr 23 2007 :  4:01:16 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi Binary,
The flip-flop is TTL which needs a regulated 5V supply.Its output doesn't go to a high enough voltage for this circuit.

Hi Fedfray,
I don't think you sould connect transformers in parallel. They might not be exactly the same which would cause a high current to flow between them.
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Binary 1011001101
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Posted - Apr 23 2007 :  4:42:41 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Ok so would it work if I pass it through a high gain transistor to power to 3055s?
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audioguru
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Posted - Apr 23 2007 :  7:36:05 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi Binary,
Two 2N3055 transistors in an inverter would allow an output power of only about 80W.
The 2N3055 has a max 3V saturation voltage loss spec at 10A when its base current is 3.3A. The max base-emitter voltage is 1.5V at 4A and might be 2.5V at 8A. A TIP41 transistor to drive each 2N3055 has a max base-emitter voltage of about 1.5V at 3.3A and its base current would need to be at least 220mA. A 3rd driver transistor is needed to supply the 220mA and its base-emitter voltage is about 1V so the total voltage needed to drive the transistors is 2.5V + 1.5V + 1V= 5V. The max output voltage from a TTL flip-flop is only about 3.5V.
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Binary 1011001101
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Posted - Apr 24 2007 :  02:28:42 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Stupidly ive allready started making it wihtout knowing it will work.
So what if I put a opto-couple on it, not to isolate but to amplify the signal, a LED only needs about 3.5V and the other half I could make into a darlingtion pair...
Just more ideas,
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audioguru
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Posted - Apr 24 2007 :  08:04:22 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Binary 1011001101
So what if I put a opto-couple on it, not to isolate but to amplify the signal

No. Look at its datasheet. Many optical isolators don't amplify. 10mA in produces only 2mA out.

quote:
a LED only needs about 3.5V

No. Look at its datasheet. A white or blue LED is about 3.5V. The IR LED in an optical isolator is about only 1.2V.

In the 500W inverter that I fixed there are four 2N3055 transistors in parallel at the output on each side. They are driven by another 2N3055, which is driven by a medium power transistor, which is driven by an opamp, which is driven from a cmos oscillator operating with a 12V supply.
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snappyt
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Posted - Apr 25 2007 :  03:15:45 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Anyone help with this design for a load of 480 watts @ 240vac...what is the current draw on a 12 volt battery. Thanks.

XSRE
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Aaron Cake
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Posted - Apr 25 2007 :  09:20:01 AM  Show Profile  Visit Aaron Cake's Homepage  Send Aaron Cake an ICQ Message  Send Aaron Cake a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by snappyt

Anyone help with this design for a load of 480 watts @ 240vac...what is the current draw on a 12 volt battery. Thanks.



You will find several designs for suitable circuits in this thread already. Just read through it.

To make 480W @ 240VAC out of 12V, you need a minimum of 40A. But the inverter will not be 100% efficient so figure 20-50% on top of that.
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Sobat
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Posted - Apr 26 2007 :  01:24:29 AM  Show Profile  Visit Sobat's Homepage  Send Sobat a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote
Hello Master Audioguru

I want to build inverter 12Vdc - 220Vac 500 watt, the circuit from
http://www.electro-tech-online.com/attachments/feedback-comments/11385-schematic-posting-problem-500watts_inverter-small.png?d=1170826950
modification by Audioguru, thanks to u'r idea
but i have problem to build it, i dont know what ampere i can use for the transformer. can i increase the wattage to 3000 watt, please show me how..

Thanks a lot
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cyclopsitis
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Posted - Apr 26 2007 :  01:56:12 AM  Show Profile  Click to see cyclopsitis's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
We can't see your link because we don't have a username and PW. If you read through some of this topic you'll find all the info you need for your prject.

Master cyclops haha
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audioguru
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Posted - Apr 26 2007 :  11:56:46 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
3000W is way too much for an inverter. If you use only 12V then its battery current will be 300A!
You would need to have a large room full of batteries to power it for a short time. Then it will take 1 week the charge the batteries.
Its wiring must be huge and it would need 48 output transistors and many driver transistors.
Its transformer would cost a fortune.
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snappyt
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Posted - Apr 28 2007 :  5:58:40 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thanks for the help....Aaron Cake

XSRE
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Sobat
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Posted - May 02 2007 :  08:40:11 AM  Show Profile  Visit Sobat's Homepage  Send Sobat a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote
Hello Master AudioGuru

It's me again, this time i want to build inverter 12 volt to 120 volt, but i can't find HEP 154 silicon dioda in my country, can i change with another diode, what tipe diode can i use for this circuit.
http://www.aaroncake.net/circuits/inverter.asp

Thank you Very much
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audioguru
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Posted - May 02 2007 :  09:32:00 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
This inverter circuit is too simple to work properly. Its output might be only 25W. Its capacitors are backwards which causes them to explode. Its transistors don't have nearly enough base current and are constantly having reverse breakdown.
Read about it in this long thread.
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