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So I watched the Speedvision show "Hi Rev Tunerz" on Sunday night. I don't even know why I watch the thing, because it literally angers me to the point where I am hostile to those around me for several hours.
It's supposed to be a "performance import" car show, but I don't even know where to begin with what's wrong with the show. Well, maybe I do. The female hosts were obviously chosen for their breast size, and I don't even want to know what they based the male host choice on. It's obvious that intelligence, automotive knowledge and grasp of the English language were not categories during their interviews. For example, the host on Sunday attempted to describe a turbo system. What he said was well past ridiculously wrong, bordering on laughable. The use simplistic sentences like "It's got a aluminum wing, it's got a body kit, and it's got a trick carbon fiber hood". No joke, that's an actual quote from the show.
Which brings us to the cars themselves. The show is nothing but riced out economy cars. These people drool over Honda Civics with body kits, carbon fiber hoods and aluminum wings. And these are the only three modifications that they seem to know about. Rarely do they ever even open the hood to show the engine, and when they do, they completely gloss over any "performance" (sorry, but I have a hard time thinking of a Ford Focus and the word "performance" in the same sentence, unless the two are separated by the words "lacking in") modifications that may be present. Even if they do make mention, brand names and specifications are completely ignored.
But I guess this is all part of the whole ricer scene: image only, no substance, complete immaturity and ignorance. There is something seriously wrong with the world when kids no longer lust over Porsches, Ferarris and Lamborghinis, but instead drool over Honda Civics.
|2013 this thread still lives..... haha|
|When you take an import car, and dump a stupid amount of money into a shopping cart wing, neons and some cardboard bodykits, does that really make it faster? At least waste your money on the correct parts! I have nothing against an asian car, as long as it does not sound like a fart in a tin can, and does not have a wing that you could eat lunch on.|
|shit man, my stock lincoln mark 8 would beat a lot of those cars on that show. stock my best time so far is 14.8, and it can handle very well with the air ride suspension. ive beaten my buddies 2002 mustang gt 5 speed, and his girlfriends 2000 mustang gt automatic. and the best part is, its a lincoln! you guys want a true sleeper that a lot of people will underestimate and get their ass handed to them, buy a lincoln mark 8. they can be had for cheap, they use the 4.6 liter 32 valve, have 280 horsepower and 285 foot pounds of torque stock! not to mention if you mod the engine, with basic bolts ons such as a mass air flow kit, computer chip, you can easily get 25 more horsepower at the wheels, not too mention if you change the stock 3.07 gears, and switch them out with 3.73s and a ford traction lock differential, that thing will easily run low 14's all day, possibly high thirteens if you have good traction, and a good driver, not to mention that it will still out handle a lot of japanese cars as well! do yourself a favor, buy a LINCOLN MARK VIII!|
|I have a Honda Insight, a Skyline (engine etc. modded in Japan) not the 4 wheel drive or steering, but a rear wheel drive with locking dif. Very conservative exterior except for an aluminum wing, and I also have an RSX in pristine condition, no engine mods, no cherry bomb just exterior mods, carbon fiber hood and wing, Bomber 2 back bumper, JP sides and front under lip. led tail lights and angel eye black housing headlights. I put the stuff on it myself and enjoyed the hell out of doing so. The car drives like a dream, smooth shifting, for it's low horse power it has decent torque and handles well. I've debated getting engine and brake mods, and decided the car just needed some exterior touches 'cause it looked kind of plain. Sometimes I want a tough drive , noise and speed for that I drive the Skyline, sometimes I want economy (Insight) and sometimes I want to relax in a quiet but pretty car to listen to music (RSX) .Each car delivers, and it's all good. Cars are fun just enjoy them in any way that makes you happy. Pissing contests aren't cool, if you are getting major mods to make others feel inferior and gloating over it all and dissing what others like, then you aren't really enjoying the car experience.|
|Man now days its all about the jdm spec.... muscle cars can't hang half of the time they get mad when a 4 banger beats them my boy got a fully built k20/k24 in a hatch eg spanking GTOS,SRT4,STI,VETTS and its all motor just pic it in your head if it was T-charge dammmmm.. it makes v8 look bad....like its no tomorrow lmao that's why ford and chevy are going out of business cuz the all can't sale as much as a honda would so when your weak ass v8s break u don't have no more deal ship lol ha ha ha ha the japs make there sh.....t life time for life ha ha so any weak ass americans car wanna come to my town and when u get beating u are going to wanna sale that and buy your self a honda big time 801 hondas are v8 kills and that is sad. So if u got a v8 sale it fast lol
(Editor's notes: The irony of course is that these muscle cars never really were that fast. The majority of them were 14 and 15 second cars, with only a small subset running in the 13s. Then only a tiny minority in the 12s, and only the really special ones in the 11s. Of course, the same holds true for the Hondas except you need to add a few seconds to each one of those times.)
|i own a 2005 pontiac sunfire, got a body kit, rims, fiberglass hood no gay wing (hate most of them) i has 200 hp plaining on adding more. point here is this.....people can't just look at a ride and call it rice. thats a bunch of bull for one and any one who's been puting in the time and money should know it's not all the ride, it how you drive it. you could have a beast and get wooped by a mini van if you can't drive. on a personal note i have wooped me plenty of hondas and let me tell you it does'nt mean a darn thing, except i was blessed not to get in to a wreck and hurt my self or some one else or getr pulled over by the cops. even on the track what does it prove.....jack squat. get over this rice crap and old school american muscle crap. it's about you and your ride bottom line.|
|i have to say i have a 85 cutlass with 350ci HO and i thought i was big shit but i got a 92 integra with a 1.8L as a winter car and its two times faster it put me right in my place i still have them and i drive them all the time ps i get more fines in the ricer then in the cutlass but never for speeding just for unnecessary noise and their the same noise level|
|Please, I see crap'd out domestic cars also. Its not just the jap cars. I see Malibu's with hugh tails (lol, its a chevy....get real!!!) It dosent matter what the car maker is, it matters who owns it. I own a 93 civic and on the outside looks mostly stock, but pulls 225 hp and the car weights almost nothing. Do I think Ill take out an Sti?NO. All show no go is lame, be-it ricer, domestic, etc. Sounds like you must have gotten whooped by a honda, and now your pissed. Your a tool|
|I have a 2002 dodge neon and I am doing the mod thing but I started on the body frist so I did not pay out the ass for all that, I have 17 in wheels that came on the car when i got it I put one of them wings on and do some paint work on the hood and body. I did put a could air intake and now it sound like I have a loud muffler, put the blue underbody neon lights. just tonight the cops here stopped me and said that I can not have them neon light on while I was driving it on the raod becase the cops use red and blue lights. any one that loves working on any car are in mostly for the love of it and it don't matter what kind of car as long as you love doing all that work just to show off to your friends . I do not care if I got the go or the show I do it for the fun of it... so people just keep on working on your cars...|
|Y do you hate them so much? Technically, you have one genious! My favorite tuner (not really into them) is the lancer evo mr fq 400 (long name*pant*) its got something like 400bhp and weighs like 2600lbs *sweeeeeeeeeeeet*
(Editor's notes: None of my cars are riced out.)
|Wow, this is funny. There's a difference between a riced out car and a show car. Mostly it's the thought and effort put into the mods. Obviously, the show car is superior to the riced car. The 4 cylinder vs. 8 cylinder dispute is just dumb. Sure, it's easier to make a 6 liter motor make more power than a 2 liter motor. It's also easier to make more power out of a top fuel dragster motor than a V8. But the fact is that I have built a Dodge Neon that makes more torque than hp, has run 12.6 in the 1/4 mile, and I just got done building the bottom end up to attempt to hit 10s. Sure, I have 7 grand or so into the motor. But that means I still have less than 20k into the car, including buying it new. Go buy a new car with a v8, and use the change from 20k to build it up, then let's race. I'd say I'm still doing pretty good in the hp/dollar department. For turnkey performance, there are cars that are fast from the factory, domestic or import, 4 cylinder or 8. Any of them can be made into very fast cars with good engineering and a budget. Even a civic can be a fast car if done right. The point is that "ricers" are those that have attempted a niche modification scene, and failed miserably. Those that try to make their cars faster but fail don't get the publicity because their failed mods aren't on display for the world to see. I respect any car done well, whether it's a performance build, or a show car. I respect a well built I4 more than a factory stock V8, just as I respect a well built V8 more than a factory stock economy I4. Let's keep encouraging those that have done a lousy job and give constructive criticism, instead of telling them that their cars suck. All that will do is make them step up their game by making their rice even more obnoxious, and make them defensive, further segregating car enthusiasts into seperate groups instead of a community that can relate no matter what they choose to build or how they choose to do it. OK,|
|.... wow honistly I love mopar but if I had to choose for my wallet I would take the ricer .... but thats why I save for a car manily because of the insurance good luck with this argument|
|I read most of the comments and I'm now conviced that ricers are retards. A civic is not really faster than a tercel, which is pretty obvious when you know how to read, especially spec sheets. The only real difference between both is the driver. Having to rev-up your engine to release the clutch does not mean you have a fast car, it only means you don't know how to drive, Honda or chevy. V8 are more powerfull than 4l, isn't it obvious. I'd like to see an F1 car with front wheel drive and a four banger...
I have 25 and a 30 year old car, none of them are imports, its hard to find a japanese car that old that still looks like a car...
Everybody laughs at ricers, wake up guys !
PS : i'm looking for a chevy lawnmower, if you find one, let me now...
(Editor's notes: Chevy does not make lawnmowers because most people don't want to spend a few hours making repairs before they cut the lawn...)
|Ricers are gay as fuck, and the only difference between tuners and ricers is that tuners have decent power, but they keep the same ugly exterior. But on the 1/4 mile, muscle beats EVERYTHING. I drive a HG Holden Monaro with a blown 350, and have decimated every tuner or ricer that has crossed my path.|
|haha this site is soooo jokes arguing about a honda civic..honda civics can have over 1000whp but y do it you can use that money on a skyline supra or mr2 or sti and it wont have shity torque streer from fwd cars.. im buyin a mr2 turbo in april...n ir lying like crazy the tl wasnt even trying n its top speed is 155mph for a 2005 dont lie cuz some of us know something about cars dont try to bullshit us by sayin u beat a tl in a fukinn minivan....
tl 0-60 in like 6.4 secs for auto
grand caravan 0-60 for like a 4 banger is like 11 seconds n 9 for v6 soo ur lying n u just embarased urself dont say something ud regret cuz in the future itl just bit u in the ass
(Editor's notes: Spell check. Learn it, live it.)
|i have been trying to find a fast and furious body kit for a 1976 chevy luv can u help me for i need these parts buy june of 2008 please help me with this|
|fuck you honda sucks they dont go fast but they do make lots of noises
(Editor's notes: As eloquent and articulate as ever.)
|Seriously man...not even acuras are good. I was driving my van (2003 Grand Caravan) back from taco bell with 5...FIVE friends in the car plus me...thats 6 people...and I wasted an Acura TL with 2 guys in it up to 178 (the speed it locks at)...so fuck it man, I had hom for about a minute and then started slowing down...I'm actually looking for a caprice with an impala ss conversion...once thats paid off i'll drop a 383 in it or something...but apart from that, I'll keep it a sleeper...it'll scare off ricers and pricks in beamers...
(Editor's notes: That's wonderful. 178 on a public road. Way to endanger us all...)
|I own a 94 1/2 ton Chevy pro-street truck, I have swapped out the 350ci for a 406ci that I built. I'm not going into details of the motor because it would take all day and is not important. I like American trucks that's my thing. If someone likes imports that's thiers. I don't dog anybody for the looks of his/her ride. If they can ride in it, then good for them. I'll tell most of you guys that are street racing (which is not too smart at all) like I told a buddy of mine that has a Neon SRT4. I was riding with him and he was taking off like a bat out of hell at every light and would say that he smoked this car and that car, I simply looked at him and asked, "out of all the cars he has beat on the street, how many of them knew that they were racing. It's not a race if the other person doesn't know it." You guys with the 4 cylinder cars, I'm not trying to take nothing away from you, but you have to admit, some of the race claims are hard to believe. They are fast for what they are, but you have half the motor, why would you win? That would be like racing my lawnmower against your 4 banger, it just don't make sense.|
|Most of you people are stupid. Who do think started the automotive industry? Where did muscle cars and street racing begin? What country are you living in? Why don't you support it by buying american? What makes you think imports are far superior?|
|who cares whol spank who get an exotic|
|its nice to see that car lovers imports or domestics all over the country can get along so well. who cares anymore.|
|you cant compare a v8 to a 4 cyl. its impossible|
|40 Years later the same engine drives all top fuel dragsters...the fastest race cars period....the Chrysler HEMI. Case closed.
(Editor's notes: The Hemi is so irrelevant today it's not even funny. Nothing more then a marketing gimmick. Top fuel dragsters are so removed from a street car that any comparisons are also irrelevant.)
|mustang owner here check me out on mustangforums.com lots of cool stuff for stangs. now i might get back on for laughing reasons but did yall notice that this has gone on for 5 years and yall are still fighting? think about that!|
|well, while i agree that these shows are really giving a bad name to the tuner culture (i refuse to use the racist term "ricer") to each his own, right? i mean, if people like muscle cars, then good for them, if you'd rather modify your supra, that's good too. personally, i love both muscle cars and tuners, and would love to have a 69 Hemi 'Cuda fastback, but i would also kill to have a 98 Supra TT. both have their perks, but if you expect a supra to beat a 69 stang on a drag strip, then you need your head checked, but a supra will out always out maneuver and out handle a stang. and i guarantee that that supra will walk past you in a track that involves turning if we're dealing with equally skilled drivers. i love the power than American muscle has, and it's good for the kind of sport racing that they do here. i personally don't like honda civics as tuners, because everyone and their uncle has them, they have no life to them. but there are tuners that pull figures like the stangs, like 800hp toyota MR2s that score into the 10s. i personally have a 99 Dodge durango v8 magnum, and have beaten several honda civics, and my dad used to have a 68 Duster back in the day so im have nothing against muscle, but i have a modified corolla that has beat every civic i've raced that had the same mods, the difference being that i can't just go down to pep boys and buy aftermarket parts for my car, i actually have to put work into it and not simply bolt stuff on, so i have no respect for those civics or their drivers. but if you are gonna talk about tuners and remain in the realm of serious racing, you better be talking about Evos, STIs, Supra TTs, Skylines, S2000s, and the such, and if you are gonna talk about racing in muscle cars, you better be prepared to leave the drag strip and do some real racing on a street course, because frankly anyone can shift gears but learning to apex or drift actually requires skill.|
|i'll put my 68 camaro up against any of your pussy ass 4 bangers 1/4 mile in 5 secs. flat so if anyone wants 2 race me write on here and we will meet up if you got the balls|
|camero and weak ass mustang lmao dnt even say their strong or so powerful. fucking falling apart piece of shit.with some big ass funny ass looking tires.and fucking ugly ass looking shape. i swear i never seen a nice camero or a nice mustang in my whole life.all fucking ugly looking or some heavy ass weak ass shit. if u fucking white dnt drive a racer car stick with the fucking mustang. u dumbass. go kill urself in a car accident hahahahahaha later dumbass|
|Ricers are pathetic with there slanted hats and fart cans. Hey guys lets put stickers on our cars. Did you know for every sticker you actually have on the car adds 5 hP? Im a chevy man my self with my 07 Monte SS. I mean the vtecs? be serious, why spend your money on a peice of shit when you can spend an extra 5-10 gs and get a dcent luxury car that has power. v8 5.3L 303 HP? Leather interior, heated seats, power seats? I rest my case, ricers are for WIGGERS who cant afford a realcar. Oh and just because you own a cobalt superslow doest take you out of the picture. You rice your car up just like a honda FAGGGGG
(Editor's notes: I continually find it so amazing that the Americans can make so little power from such a huge engine...5.3L and only 303HP? How is it even possible to make only 300HP from a 5 litre engine?!)
|heres the kicker question (if somebody hasnt already asked it) how come i havnt heard about anyone building a car from scratch huh huh ???!!!! check this out. take a miata, gut it. cut it in 4 peices. make a few welds. now its wider and longer. take your engine of choice. ( mines a chevy 350 due to high potential and relatively small size) add a bit of forced induction your choice "super" or "turbo". dunno bout you guys but im using the turbo. add your own style of suspension (computer controlled magnet shocks anyone....fuck airbags) let it sit till your funds recover of course. find a 6 spd sequential gear box that fits, and now your ready for the rear end. (buy now you should have a roll cage if not your a dumbass) you could go with independent with cv axles, like subaru or you could go with the axles like the dana 44. now you could go with an lsd or a locking diff depending on what your doing with it . go with some 2-3 inch side walled tires (must have some tire flex ,riding pancake is stupid trust in me on this one ) now you have a home built sports car do it right and it'll be a damn good one get it wrong and your not realy loosing money unless you crash it. all your parts are sitting in front of you all you have to do is build around it feel free to contact me with any comments or questions to ps my plans are to reach in the 800 hp/tq range and 200mph|
|^^^Less, The mods that you performed on your car were a waste of money. A chipped ecu makes 5 10 at tops and the vafc2 is trash. Cams are the only real mod you put into it. N/a set ups are great for road courses and autox but not the drag strip unless you bore out the motor and run 12 1/2 compression. The B-series motor is thirsty for boost and respones very well to it. for 5k you could get rods, pistons, bearings and a turbo kit at demolish zo6's, vipers ect. Bragging about putting 200k and racing stock slomaros is left to the noobs. Hondas can be made to be lethal street machines without killing the wallet, you just have to have brains wich a lot of people on here don't have.|
|I had an 1994 civic EG hatch with a B18C5R, ported and polished head, spoon chipped ECU, cams, cam gears, VAFC2 controller, 5 lbs. falken wheels, and all the other typical tuner parts. With $ 14,000 in the car I got absolutley anniliated by a stock camaro with 3 people in it. The best the car ever ran with a professional driver was a 14.586. Then I learned the hard way that my car was meant to be a economy car, not a race car. So I sold it and bought a 2001 slp camaro, and now I enjoy spanking all the little honda boys. You allwayse hear the kid with $200,000 in his ricer braging that they can beat stock camaros and mustangs. I'd shure as hell hope you can beat a stock car. So now put $200,000 in the camaro or mustang and see how fast you see tail lights fading into the distance|
|Im sorry you wasted your money on a overpriced, poor example of a has been muscle car! No you will not pass me no matter how hard you tried. If it makes you feel better about yourself, I will tell you that you should walk all over a stock 17 sec. civic no problem but you can't hang with the big boys that build their machines not buy them!|
|I have NEVER seen so many examples of poor English in my life. Did ANY of you "can't spell zero punctuation run-on sentence" writers ever take English in high school? No? I can tell. Well, here is some unused punctuation you can sprinkle throughout your obscene, vulgar, ignorant, disjointed "English as a second or third language" ramblings: ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, ............................................................ !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ??????????????????????????????????? ;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;; Feel free to use them properly. By the way, I drive a 2006 GTO with a 400 HP LS2 small block V8 in it. NO fart can, no body kit, no oversized aluminum wing. I will pass you so fast I'll strip the paint and gawdy graphics off your hood, and suck out your HID's. You probably get way better gas milage. Don't bother flaming me unless you can construct a proper sentence without typing "fuck". Have a nice day.|
|I agree with 'anonymous' that said, "Just because someone mods an import doesn't make them a ricer as long its done with good taste". Sometimes I feel like going up to ricers on the street to give them advise on how to mod their car. I feel like they're disgracing the car. Almost every civic I see nowdays have those ugly altezza tail lights! Leave on the stock ones! Why not spend your money on other things like a nice front lip and sideskirts(not a bodykit that makes the car look like a spaceship). As for wings, get one that complements the car (not one that makes the car look like it's gonna fly). And most important, chrome rims don't look good! Get racing rims if you want your car to look like a race car (aluminum, black, white, bronze, gunmetal etc.).|
|Don't you hate it when people run their mouth so that they can have a reason to mention what kind of car they have? Get a life man!|
|Hi and hello, Damn i Really dont know where to start so i will start here. It seems like an when u tell one person a story to tell another by the time it getsback to u it is a completly different tale. Kind of like this forum where 90% of you haveforgotten what the edditor meant ans said. oh well if cant betum join uh. not i have seen show's like that and i hate the way the ricers look some of the fins are bigger than the car now i on a 2003 350z i love reading about diff car yus and forien but if i see another show like the one that we all have forgetten about i think i cry.later P.S. u can say this is astupd forum but damn tis is the longest going topics 4 + years|
|domestic or import, economic or exotic? Personally -I dont give a fuck!! Crackers have no tech, Ricers have no balls debate it all you want! I'll stay loyal to my V8 4.9litre '95 cadillac deville with the best of both worlds and leather seats fit for a king! Oh and I just upgraded $.07/litre now i can say my car is super!|
|Ok if you want to take your mothers neon or civic and place a wing and a plastic body kit on it thats fine. But don't get out and act like a bad ass because most of you don't know how to change oil. However, the people that spend time working, not tuning on the engine of their car wether it be a civic or a camaro, I give them respect. I would rather hear someone bragging about how that rebuilt the engine on their lawn mower than hear how they clamped a fart cannon on their civic, despite that it still has the factory air filter and oil. lol|
|Laid-back, Your comment has no substance and will not persuade anyones opinion. Yeah sure you have a cadillac and im sure its a smooth ride but thats it. It would turn a 15 sec et at the strip at best. I have red leather seats in my 10 sec street legal hatch, who cares. Do you honestly think a caddi has more technology than a exotic? C'mon! BTW, a ricer is somone who puts obnoxious decals, wings, non-functional exterior mods on their cars to give the apearance thats its fast. Iv'e seen plenty of domestic ricers along with import ricers. Just because somone mods a import doesn't make them a ricer as long its done with good taste.|
|Why wasn't my vids of Hondas on the track and a teg raping a viper posted? Those vids would have shut a lot of ignorant people up.|
|I have never read so much ignorance in my life. What is wrong with you people? Hi Rev Tuners is a horriable show that only promotes garbage mods to apease the general public that doesn't know the 1st thing about modding cars.|
|I find it funny that all the "muscle lovers" trash any import car that they see and call the drivers idiots. Iv realized that ricers get shit all the time for the type of car they drive. While domestic lovers post anti-rice websites all over the net and rag on import drivers for being cocky and d-bags but i have yet to see a anti muscle website so in my opinion people who drive muscle cars are just as if not more cocky and stuck up than "ricers" so in my eyes they are the real D-bags on the road.|
|There's no reason for all this rivalry. Muscle cars and sport compacts are both cool in different ways. Muscle cars are fast, straight out of the factory. The only downside is the gas mileage issue. Sport compacts have good gas mileage, but need a little attention on the power side. The deal with sc's is that you can put a couple of mods on your car and you can get the same 1/4 mi. time as a muscle car. What's the answer to today's lesson class?......POWER TO WEIGHT RATIO! The easiest example for this is a street bike. A GSXR gets 10's on the track (stock) and look at how tiny the motor is on that thing!|
|If I could speak for all jdm fanatics and probably all muscle car enthusiasts against ricers, I would say, "All we ask is that you take off that rediculous wing, ugly body kit, and those altezza (originally made for Lexus IS 300)tail lights"!! Your Civic is supposed to look like a Civic, not a Lexus. Oh, and most of all, get rid of those chrome rims! If you have money to fix up your car, concentrate more on performance, suspension and at least a decent paint job.|
|American muscle is only good in a straight line. Enough said!
(Editor's notes: Well no, there's probably more to say. But it's already been said a thousand times here.)
|First I want to start by saying most of the comments on here are coming from old mullett wearing waffle twats that refuse to ecept that muscle cars and there technology is obsolete. Im 27 and have been racing Hondas for 6 years now and never spent money on body kits graphics or anything that wouldn't make my ride faster. Reading the comments above I noticed that somone spent 10k into there import so they could take down stangs and marows. What a joke, If you put 10k into a Honda you better be running in the 9's. A stock Integra gsr can beat a Mustang GT and all it takes for a honda to rip apart Vipers and z06 vetts is pistons, rods, head studs and a turbo. I have a 10 second civic hatch that I built for less than 5k! Whatta think about that. Don't get me wrong I love muscle cars and there history but the times are changing like they will when Im older. I respect anyone who shares the love I have for all vehicles and building them. Think about this, I have a 10 second civic that still gets 30 mpg. Oh snap!|
|*YAWN* Same ol' shit.|
|I think the world would be a better place if all owners of Japanese cars went jdm. I'm mostly speaking of how you make your car look. The styling is not too bold, but looks the best out of any style. As for performance mods, If you're going to put on an exhaust, make sure it SOUNDS GOOD. Not just loud. On a 4-banger, use 2-1/4'' piping and always use a resonator with your high-performance muffler. Try going to www.magnaflow.com for example and click on "hear it". This is how your car should sound, not like a fart. It's amazing how much better you can make your car look and sound with a little research.|
|why does everyone hate ricers. i think there cool i have a 91 celica|
|wtf whats the hateraid with ricers|
|coool coool , just bought my 03 wrx and put new exhaust and intake and that fucker just runs like mad. thing is , it is the pricing in the end , everyone wants a fast car , budget is it , cash is king , spent altogether 10,700 dollars on my car and it already looks sweet as fuck|
|civics r ok for a every day car but not to fix up and wats up with givin rice burners exaust systems besides who wants to have a car that souds like a lawn mower|
|I've drove a Civic crx it was okay. But when I start up the 390 in my Ford it makes the ground shake. For an everyday disposable car a Civic is okay. But the general consensus between my friends and I is that Honda's are for women. Real men drive cars for men such as sports cars even though they truly don't exist anymore. The cars are there but how many can afford them. The sad fact is that most of your so-called imports are made in America these days. Don't get me wrong but I like Toyotas. I don't like any other so-called import's. The only problem for me is that most of the so-called imports are too small. I like racing in every form, it's all about speed which is what I need. But the truth is that the ricers are the idiots of racing. The only thing they do is bring it down for the rest of us. I really don't care if you have a big block or a four banger just put your money where your mouth is or go home. I'd rather have a sleeper than a car that is all dressed up and no date. When people pull up alongside of you and think what a turd but when you get on it and lay down the rubber. One of these days I'll just have to get one of those shit cans and pump the engine full of piss and vinegar and see how many takers there are at the track.|
|civics are gay|
|torque is what actually makes wheels turn not horsepower :) and besides, as my uncle Danny said it best, "those who drive japanese "cars" don't know anything about what a real car is!" and I myself never have and never will consider anything japanese a REAL car... like I always say, you will never see a classic japanese "car" at the Barett Jackson classic auto auction because true car people don't even consider japanese "cars" as worthy of anything other than throw away cheap transport.
(Editor's notes: Wow.)
|People can buy whatever car they choose to.. whether they can afford it or not. Not everyone wants a cheeseburger, not everyone wants filet mignon. There are as many cars out there as there are types of people... and even so, there's only so many kinds of people and they'll eventually start to echoe one another.|
|Stupd hondas! They suck crap!they're put put cars! literally! God a fricken go-cart can go faster than a honda! If i were u, id get either a lotus esprit, a corvette zo6 or a ferrari! God, even one uf them frickin irish deloreans are better cars and they still suck crap! (if u dont know wut a delorean is, it's the car frum back 2 the future but not as souped up)
(Editor's notes: That sure was worth reading...)
|hm. nothing wrong with civics, but they were for sure not made for racing nor supposed to be a sports car. if you want a sports car get a Porsche, Ferrari, Lambo or a Corvette if you want something racecar like get a CGT, McLaren F1 or a CLK-GTR if you want a fast luxury sedan get Brabus, BMW M or AMG if you just want something to go from A to B get a civic so if i had one of these above and someone would smoke me with his civic, i'd be like "cool, 1 point for you but my car gets all the other points" i've seen a test of the Z06 and actually they said that all it needs is the 4th gear since you can start with it from 0 and accellerate up to more than 150mph.. now.. thats power.. try it in a civic :)|
|Listen, not all imports suck, it is the people that drive them that suck. Along with domestics i have a 1970 Chevelle SS 454, over 500 ftlbs of dynoed torque (thats enough to pull an elephant through a keyhole.) In my town, there are plenty of ricers who pull up beside me and rev their lawnmower engines then "speed" off down the road. I personnaly dont give a care because i only race on the track, i dont give in to my desire to smoke the local ricers that i somehow never see at the track. Most likly because they are too good for common sense. There is nothing you can do about it because these kids spend their funds for a higher education on body kits, wings, stickers, and the occasional way-too-detailed paintjob. But there are people who put their money into the engine of what they have. These people are not ricers. Got it? Good. One more time. Ricer = Obnoxious body kit, wing, fartcan, stickers. etc. and the occasional engine mod. Ricer is not, Engine mods (and basicly no obnoxious exterior crap)|
|AMericans, japs use are all shit, get a lotus exige 240r £30,000 for a car that can go from 0-60 in under 4 seconds and 0 - 100mph in uder 10 seconds AS STANDARD only does 148 mph but ma car has never lost, i have the best handeling car in the world (for the yanks... we use this to go round corners fast, i understand use have a proble with ur shit v8's)
(Editor's notes: Blah blah blah blah blah lotus blah blah blah blah some specs no one cares about blah blah blah blah)
|rice is dead no one rices out their car no more atleast not in toronto all you see now is clean cars with clean motor swaps with just the jdm look no bullshit added n i have a buddy who has a 94 civic running 580 horses to the wheels who i have seen smoke all kinds of american cars my cuzin owns an dodge srt-4 yea there fast off the show room floor but the engine cant take a beating liek a import engine can hes been through 2 motors and 2 intercoolers when the guy with the civic is running strong with 140 thousand km on his car with no problems wen the dodge has 25 thousand and is all ripped apart japanese cars are built to take a beating they can take a beating for a long time without breaking anythnig american cars u play with them a bit your spending so much to repair them dont get me wrong i love that srt-4 have never been in a car that fast stock for under 30 grand but u just cant compare it to a japanese car that u buy for 2 or 3 thousand put a 4 thousand doller motor in it spend another 10 to build the motor and u got an all motor car easily running 350 horses with no power adders p.s the show is garbage|
|thank you ricers and tuners !!! for i work for honda of america mfg building your loved cars. witch buy the way i can buy at little above cost. buy thanks to you i have a 2003 zo6, 2006 ultra classic custom hog,1987 gta trans-am w/big block 454,1987 iroc-z drag car set up to run 6's,1985 iroc-z mint cond., 2001 1 ton dullay w/8.1 eng 4x4, oh yea a $500.00 ricer witch takes me to the honda plant. i want to thank you again....|
|Imports Domestics they both equal suck and are all desgined to break. Don't belive me go work a at dealer, any dealer. It doesn't matter how my cylinders you have Power to Weight is all that matters provided you have traction. ie. : 2007 Civic SI has 14.6 lbs per hp for 22k 2007 Corvette Z06 has 6.2 lbs per hp for 70k 2007 Mustang GT has 11.2 lbs per hp for 26k 2002 Camaro Z28 has 11.0 lbs per hp for 27k(new price in 02) So it shouldn't take a genious to see what is faster stock for stock. See you get exactly what you pay for. As for cheap performance nothing can get a 80's camaro for about a 1,000 then buy a crate 350 ZZ4 for 4,000 and have a car with 9.7 lbs per hp for 5k. So for flat out cheap race car chevy wins hands down. For show car it is completely dependent on what you like. there is no difference between import or American cars for reliablity they will both break down, American cars are just loads cheaper to fix. If you want to argue that do the research and you will that Toyota actually had the largest decline in reliablity last year and chevy had the largest increase. As for weight a Civic SI weighs ~2900lbs a Corvette ~3100lbs A camaro or Mustang ~3400lbs, not a very big difference, hell a 1958 corvette only weighed ~2700lbs. Supra's are cool and all but i've seen a professionaly built Supra get beat (from a 30mph roll to 140mph) by a Fox body stang with a BBC and les than 10k invested in the car total. In the end if you really want to win the power to weight for the price war, buy a damn nitro RC car, else just buy what you like and do what ever you want its your damn car. Back to the 4 year old start of the thread, i did see the show and it suck ass, but it was because of the people on it not the cars they were working on.|
|Forget about all those camarows and so on i have a 95 neon with a srt-4 engine in it will smoke all your cars!|
|MY MODS + hp body kit 20 tail lights 30 nos kit 50 roll cage 75 pain exterior 40 interor paint 5 muffler tip 50|
|well i read about the first 5 comments and i dont know what to say i own a 90 model camaro right now it has edelbrock intake , holley 750 dp carb (4Barrel), a big ass cam ( sorry don know the size it was installed right before i purchased it) ne way it has headers an flowmasters it hits a hell of a lick running an has a lot of power an i love that car its black wit a cowl hood mickey thompson slicks wit skinnys in front wit weld wheels .,,,,, ok heres the thing i am not bragging about anything i own my camaro needs trans work big deal but i also have a honda delsol on 20s with a body kit yes i said body kit but it brought the look of the car a lot closer to the ground i think del sols look hideous when stock an alot look hideous ne way when they been pimped at autozone but i have lambo doors on it and im bout to do an engine swap ( NOT FOR POWER THATS WHY I HAVE A CAMARO BUT BECAUSE I LOCKED UP THE STOCK ONE LOL so what im getting at is iit can go either way my honda is all show an no go and is just a project car i have the camaro to finish building into my drag car so where do i stand ??? i think cars are like tha other guy said a passion ..... and for me its turning nothing into somethig ..... if u havent put long hours into engine work fiberglass and electronics and graphic design then i dont wanna hear negative comments i just wanted to share my two cents|
|fuck slant eye piece of shit cars and all you fucking faggots who think your 4 banger imports are fast, there is no replacement for displacement. those cars are made to be fuel efficient and cheap. why drop thousands into it, there still slow. go watch more fast and the furious you dumb fuckers. o ya my car cant beat your car in a drag race but i can go faster around a corner HAHAHAHAHA your probly some dumb ass paki shut the fuck up.
(Editor's notes: Wow. Just, wow.)
|allright american muscle is fucken amazing but this shit about ricers cars having terrible performance and lacking hp is just retarded to say because when u buy a car u dont look only at the tq and hp, and if u were smart you would look at the actuall economic value of the car. Any civic will get at least ten gallons more then all of your american cars and are also lighter. making fun of the acutall car is retarded because if u actually know what to do to it they can smoke a lot of your american cars. yeah lets make fun of civis when the 06 si has close to 200 hp stock with a 4 cylinder without forced air induction which is what most of your america cars have. you drop in a greddy turbo and your allready running with a little over 250 hp whcih will def compete and beat some of your heavy american muscle cars like the mustang gt. and lets see you guys in your heavy american cars go through a cones course... i dont think so.|
|you v8 guys keep talking i respect big 8's as much as the next guy however you all ways forget on thing, power to weight ratio. Its physics, not talk.|
|I look for 2 fast 2 furios music!!! I need the song of the movie because is so cool!!! So please if you have the song please send at my e-mail !!!!!!!! firstname.lastname@example.org|
|i only race for tiles you got the balls|
|I am not here to bad mouth any cars.. or to insult anyone just take the time to read this. If you want to build your civic it is your choice dont waste your time argueing with people that dont like your choice. If we all listened to what other people said about every choice we made we could get no where. People with american cars.. respect imports because if they put in THEIR TIME AND MONEY you have no right to hate on them. Yes, a v8 is naturally faster than a 4 cylinder.. just as long as we stay clear that it is possible for both to be faster than one another.. A v8 would be more easily upgraded but maybe they dont want a v8 they want a v-tec or something.. I mean look at a 350z 6 cyclinder import car.. runs 300 hp and similar numbers in torque thats impressive.. as a 2005+ mustang GT runs 300 hp and similar numbers in torque (a v8 of course..) Anything is possible its all about .. "work with what you have" and respecting others while you blow their doors off. =) I personally couldnt care because I am stuck in the middle of the battle with a 04 v6 mustang running a 4.2 engine with a turbo. I put down 423rwhp and 449rwtq.. I can easily smoke a cobra of my year IF ITS STOCK or minimally modified.. but guess what the whole time I am looking at it saying.. god thats so badass.. and i love the way civics look in body kits. and for you people to know.. i only spent 10k on my car.. but i also did apperence work, all go and looking good.|
|I started by reading the beginning, and jumping to the end. I drive a Hyndai Tiburon, not only that, It's an inline four. I've driven a variety of cars and trucks throughout the years, American, Japanese, European, now Korean. If I had an American car, the japanese import enthusiest knocked me, and vice versa from there on. In truth I think a Car is a Car, whatever a person has should not matter. I've read a lot of hatred here and it's just a lot of pride kicking in. Shit, when they discontinued the Camaro and the Trans-Am, I felt a loss. and in those days, I was sporting a 1989 Mitsubishi Starion ESIR. You see, what Im trying to get at is that we as a car modifing community should learn is respect. Im at the bottom of the barrel with my Tiburon and no matter what I've modified my car as, I get laughs from everyone else. Oh but they can't hang with the Idea when I spank them and they take it to the heart, then I get the finger, then I get the threats, then I find myself realizing that to many people hate because they can't hang with the idea that someone has bested them. Sure, I get spanked more than I've won, but, then, isnt that what sportmanship is all about, looking your competitor in the eye, acknowledging he bested you, respect him/her, and work on your car for the next time, cause there will always be a next time when you're real and it's in your blood. About knocking people because a lot jumped on the bandwagon with fast in the furious, remember, the movie was made after the sub-culture already existed. Remember all the old movies dealing with camaro's or corvettes as the hero's main ride, well, times change. Maybe next time, all us gasoline driven car racers will be hating the hybrid racers.|
|I think a lot of people are missing the point here. I noticed how a lot of people (probably you ricers out there) are overlooking the fact that MAINLY people are obsessed with body kits and awful paint jobs etc. Performance is NOT that expensive. I have looked many times at performance parts. Buying a body kit can be more expensive than buying a new camshaft and spark plugs, wires, air intake, performance exhaust, headers, and all that. The guy who said his friend had put over 70k into a Focus.. That's just disgusting. Why would you put so much into a car that can only perform so well? On the other hand, a lot of cars are underestimated because of being commonplace. Mitsubishi Eclipses for example. They are riced probably more than any car I know. HOWEVER... If you get an Eclipse with a 4g63t engine in it, you're good for well over 500 bhp. The problem is, ricers don't understand how their cars work. They want immediate cheap results. I mean, you can't come up and say "hey I got a new camshaft and I got my exhaust and intake ports bored" because few people know what that stuff does, and though it does give you more power, they can't see it. People like to have something to flaunt. I guess... For some people, crappy paint and rediculus accessories... is the best. For me, performance is best. I have to agree with the anti-rice people here. I would rather have my crappy little '96 dodge neon. Though I CAN'T take out high end sportscars, because I've not modified it much, I CAN take out any ricer I've ever seen. That's all I really care. If I see a ricer, I want it in my rearview, because it doesn't deserve to be in front of me.|
|First off there are a few things that need to be cleared up. one it does not matter if you have a big block that can boogie woogie or a four banger that can flat out scream. Any engine can be tweaked to perform. The problem is that there are idiots that believe that just because they do a few things to their car that it is just bad to the bone. These individuals are the ricers. They just do not have the ability to believe that there is a faster car out there. There is nothing wrong with having an import or a domestic vehicle. All of the vehicles of today have come a long way. Yes some vehicle that are a lighter weight with smaller engines are fast, but you cant forget who really paved the way. Big blocks with big power will stomp one of these smaller engined cars with ease. You have to be stupid to believe that just because you tuned such and such car that it is untouchable. Like the one person that stated that front wheel drive is better on road courses. The reigning American Iron champion drove a 1998 Mustang Cobra. The car was naturally aspirated. He took the overhead cam modular engine and replaced it with an old school 302. By the way Nascar does turn to the right dumbshit, this is for the F1 idiot. Nascar is the biggest racing series in the world. All I have to say is Juan Montoya. I have built a few vehicles. I had a 1986 ranger that after I had lost a cylinder in a 1/8 mile run that it would still roast the tires. But the best was a 1976 Ford F150 with a 390 big block. I could romp down and slam your head off of the back glass. There is nothing you can say to that. That truck did not burn rubber it chewed up asphault. So I say to you all build it and stomp the ricers, these dipshits have no sense. All that matters is that if you run your mouth your ride better be able to back it up.|
|Gotta say im more of a mucle car guy in alot of way's i have a 92 talon awd but ud never know it was anything specail well atleast untill the light's come down.I have alot of friends that are rice's and i have the fastest car of them and they just cant understand how i want 2 hide what i have and they want 2 show off what they lack i guess im more of a purist when it comes car's and racing|
|Personally i think every type of car is different, muscle cars were made for the american roads, straight, jap cars were made for downhill/uphill japanese moutain roads, handling and low weight decent power. Which is why i love my 240SX... No major work, no time for it, but i got it with 130,000 miles on it for 2000 dollars, put in a cold air intake and a high flow header and exhaust, semi racing clutch and short shifter and reprogrammed the ECU, and suspension work. less then 800 dollars, and you have a car thats decent all around. All stock on the body, and you have the ricers with the civic with the 6 feet wings revving next to me, all show no go... they make the rest of us jap car lovers look bad.|
|The Mustang is a high quality rich detail classic car with some power if you pay for i.t sure they dont get 37mpg. at least they have an engine more than the size of your thumb! No fart mufflers spoilers dirtbike motors or turbos.a perfect mustang would be 1993 Mustang GT 5.8 351 headers, dual exhaust, 4 barrel, supercharged, 18" rims, racing suspension,10 second car, 540 hp, 515 torque ,hearst shifter, and fuzzy dice any of you rice lovers know what this is?|
|The definition of ricer is a japanese car honda or not stock or suped or beat up. japanese car companys are eating up our economy and destroying are car companys. too many japanese imported parts in our classic cars such as the Mustang (legend).camaros coming back in 09 you thinks its gonna be 80% american parts heck no! i only like mishtibishi and some subarus (my go-kart engine is a subaru el cheapo el crappo)
(Editor's notes: That's wrong on every account. "Rice" is ANY car that is "modded" in a ridiculous way to make it LOOK fast. And a big part is the driver as well. Generally ricers know nothing, think they're car is the best thing on 4 wheels, drive like a maniac in traffic and are generally just losers... As for foreign cars "eating" at your economy, you're damn right they are. And there's one reason: quality.)
|i say put more into your performence first then your exterior thats a rule for muscle cars. if ricers didnt blow that the crap out of our economy i would pherhaps like japanese cars|
|most Mustangs eat ricers alive but when they lose lose its usually because the ricer is lighter but not more powerful oh and nitrous boosts.The Horses eat rice in a 1/4 mile!!!
(Editor's notes: Seriously, are you quite finished yet?)
|It's all about MASS!! Mass is the enemy for racing! Get a honda or VW to 2000lbs. and 400HP and you can blast 10's on the 1/4 all day long. American car? heavier, granted, but for the increased mass... let's say 3500lbs. you get a larger displacement V-8. Now your looking at 800HP output and the same 10's on the track. So guess what? If your LB per HP is lower you will go faster plain and simple. So the ballyhooed 800HP honda can be beaten by a heaver car with a lower LB./HP ratio. Look at the Physics and mathematics and it becomes crystal clear. Import? American Muscle? You can get extreme efficency from both powerplants if done correctly. Go look on the net for the Noble M400. Car weighs in at only 2200Lbs. and has 400HP. One of the fastest road cars in the world due to the lowered mass.|
| Okay, here is my take on it. My first car ever was a 1991 Toyota Tercel 4-speed w/ a 1.8 b/c I was flat broke and I had to have a way to get back and forth from school. That car sucked! I hated it! But ya'll know what I did? I did what just about every 16 year old guy does... I worked with what I was given. You ever try to find a perf. part for a 91' Tercel? Not happenin. Very limited selection. My car wasnt fast and it didnt look furious either, I didnt have the funding for either of those. But I was proud of my painted valve cover and my weak pedal kit I had. Never once calimed to be able to outrun ANYBODY'S car, truck, suv, bike or skateboard even! But since I had paint under my hood and I reved up my engine just for shits and giggles, I got called a "ricer". (One young man lost the headlights out of his Ford Lightning b/c his "ricer" comments went too far with me.)
I loved to race that little car all the time, hardly EVER won but I had alot of fun. Does that make me a "ricer"? NO, just a kid with no money and who played enough Gran Turismo (the first one for PS1) to appretiate toyin with cars, be it American Muscle or a Japanese Import.
I now own a 1998 Mustang 5-speed w/ a 3.8 in it. This car is most certainly NOT the fastest car in my town or the best looking. The ONLY upgrade on it is the stage 2 clutch kit and the Euro taillights (which I love both.) But its not the slowest or the worst looking either. It will get off the line and move right along. But smart-ass punk wannabe morons riddin in their beat-down corolas sittin next to me at the stop lights w/ there "fart can" rackin off like crazy thinkin they can race, they need to have their asses handed to them. I was never cocky w/ my crappy car and Im certainly not cocky w/ my Mustang. I let those punks race off as fast as they can and when I pass them a mile or two down the road b/c they got their dumbass pulled over, I smile the whole way by. But the same thing goes for the guy who pulls up next to me in his suped-up 93' Stang w/ the 5.0 in it. Rev it all day pal and peel out! Fun I know, but if you wanna impress somebody, take it to the track where somebody wants to see that and will give a shit when you do it. haha.
I like to think I myself am unique though. I dont hate Civics and i dont hate Camaros. I have no preference on either car until I drive it and if it has what I want, then I go for that car. When it comes to mods though, here is how I do. I love body kits! Bumpers, Skirts, Hoods... all of it... love it! I think it looks good is why! I know it doesnt make your car any faster at all (its just for looks.) Wings are great too! ON SOME CARS AND IF ITS THE RIGHT SIZE! Here is a small tip: To the numbnuts out there putting Boeing 747 wings on thier mom's Civics and Focuses... STOP... IT LOOKS GAY!!! but other than that... go for it! I am all for making cars look good! Especially if they are your everyday driver. Make them look as fast as you want, that doesnt make them fast though. If you want a fast car, great, make it fast and take it to a track where someone will care. Face it, the soccer mom sittin at the corner light dont give a damn how fast you can take off no matter what car you're driving. Good looks will turn heads though. Get em in the car, then show them how fast it is or isn't mkay?
So, here is my message to the "ricers" Hey! I think what ya'll do to your cars is great! Go for looks, speed or both! Honestly, seeing somebody upgrade from stock parts on any car (be it interior, exterior or performance parts) gives me that tingly-good feeling. Kudos to all of you, I do the same thing.
Message to the "anit-ricers" Hey, dont be mad at them just b/c they are low-budget kids using what they got. Be mad at them when they get mouthy at a stop light. Let em have it! Im all for that! Take that crappy lookin 87 Camaro of yours and SMOKE THEM!!! Leave em looking dumb at the light ( I love to see that!)
And here is my message to everyone: A "ricer" isnt just a person with a Japanese car who upgrades it some and talks big about it. A "ricer" is ANY person with ANY car that they upgrade a lil bit and talk about it but cant back it up! Be it a Mustang, A Camaro, A Charger or even a Vette. If you cant back up your mouth, then you're a "ricer"
And as for the $70,000 upgraded Civic... how about this... Hows abouts we take a stock Civic and and stock Mustang from the same year. We dump $70,000 in upgrades into each of the cars and see who will tear who up. Yeah, a $70,000 hooked-up Civic will flat out burn up the place and I would LOVE to see that thing race, Im sure it would be a thing of beauty! But a Mustang with the same ammount in it, Oh My! Untouchable! Like I said before, I have no preference on either car here, I'll go with w/e I like more, not just based on speed alone. But Im smart enough to know that in the situation I just gave above, That Mustang would eat that lil Civic ALIVE!
(Editor's notes: I stopped reading but then read the last paragraph. Finally, someone who at least gets what it means to be a "ricer".)
|hey all you assholes driving riceburners just keep in mind my 68 camaro z28 will bust your ass anyday on pumpgas.Your just too stupid to know theres no way to outdo cubic inches.
(Editor's notes: You came here via a search for "how+to+get+more+horsepower+out+of+yur+1998+maxima"...Need I say more?)
|Some of the talk in here is retarded. How many of the people in here are actually tuners?!?!?! I have raced and modified both import and domestic cars and I want to make a few things clear. A few comments a people said I would like to respond to. Idiot: Imports Suck! Me: Imports as in the Hondas they make in the US or imports as in the ones sold in Japan that you really don't know about? Idiot: Domestics Suck! Me: So their isn't a domestic that could beat your import?? Idiot: Imports suck but I have respect for some imports. a b c....blah blah blah Me: So a 500hp civic sucks and a stock RX-7 is respectful? Idiot: There is no substitute for cubic inches Me: Subaru WRX STi, Nissan Skyline, Toyota Supra, Mazda RX-7, Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution, and many many more. My Point: Compare respectivley idiots. Some people race imports and others race domestics. If youre a ghetto ricer that screw you. If youre a hick ass muscle lover then screw you too. Appreciate the art of cars and racing not the clicks that go with them.|
|I have to agree that that show is ridiculous, ricers r the cars of tools, I drive a 78 malibu with a 350 and these kids wanna race i just laugh touch the gas and blow them away. A muffler tip never made a car fast, and driving a stick honda is no cooler. I've enver met a guy with a ricer that knew anything about cars. I'm 19 and i can afford a real car while I pay for my own school i don't see why some fool with a honda can't do the same.|
|ive read most of the comment on this site and i do agree with most of them especially about the show they pick the hosts mainly on how good lookin they are so they can give litle underaged kids hardons even though my name says importlunatic im still not an all import guy i would love to have a 69 dodge charger rt with a hemi droped in it man i would love it id even pull of dukes of hazzard and weld the dorrs shut but wheni think baout it muscle and import a totally different but muscle cars are made for quarter mile runs i wanna c a muslce car with all go as u say perform on a cae track it cant body to heavy and it has a big engine its just to heavy and when it come to engine performance it all comes easy now that we come to the imports sure u got a honda civic which pretty much the most popular car that young people would get now imagine gettin 1.6l 4cylinder engine and have it push out about 300 horses its complicated but it also makes u think wut can i do to it to get more horsepower imports make u think and muslce cars are to eazy its all simple it dont make u think idunno about u but i like thinkin it keeps me occupied ill admit droppin so much money in a honda is pointless but for beginners dhat re just starting up in the world as a car enthusiast is worth for them cuase they learn on these cars and u never know after they learned they might get sumthing better and then with the information dhat they gathered on previously owning a honda might help them with their new cars they wont make many mistakes as before so for all of u people out there fightin about whose better muscle or import they all have their part in this world that they are good at yea more horse power is best but its not about horsepower its not how fast ure car is its how fast u re for an example there is a 4 door 92 civic here where i live and it smoked a camaro with a 100 shot of nos civic is all in prymer and its single turbo muscle carsw weight more and thats why they need big engines to get them moving imports less weight and they dont need big engines to get their ass movin its all about the pick up speed and many things u can do to ure car to achive this like lets say transmission is one of the mayor things dhat will up ure cars acceleration close gear ratio and if u wanna go flat out top speed u get a longer gear ratio which the pick up speed is crap but the end reslut of top speed is enormous so just apriciate wut u have dont trash nobody but one thing i would love to c is the muscle cars gettin a good laptime on the track insted of the straightaway|
|OK, for all of you out there muscle car lovers, the reason muscle cars have big engines is because there heavy, the reason you need that big engine is to carry that weight you have a 800hp muslce car go up against a 300hp civic hatchback and that muscle car is going to be eating dust. You think your big engines do you any good, no they dont you waste 5 times the gas a 1.8 liter would for what to move your car. You find a import car out there prefereby a civic hatch with 800hp and id like to see any muslce car take that fucker on if its on a drag strip or circuit you wouldnt stand a chance. Its all bout weight the reason some cars come with more horsepower is because they need the horsepower to move the car so a 450 hp muscle car is more lik a 150 hp car due to the weight on it. I hate people that dont know shyt bout cars that only think that of you have more horsepower your car can take on anything it cant there more to car racing then horsepower go to school or actually learn about cars before you try and diss someone.|
|heres an idea. how about an actual tuner / muscle car shootout on a televised program like "pinks"? i would love to see the results!
(Editor's notes: Would be useless. Any car can be built to any level.)
|hey guys. been reading through some of your coments
(opinions?) and one thing is certain- we all love our cars!
all the insults and macho bs is part of the game i guess,
but the old saying gos "you talk the talk. but do ya walk the
walk?" i grew up in the muscle car era. i saw many street
cars that were, for there day, super fast rides. learnd alot too.
i loved those times but times sure have changed. now, anything can be made to be fast given the right platform. when
i was in high school, the kids were building `63 chevys with
anything from 283`s to 396`s. novas, stangs , darts, and the list gos on. why dump on kids and there ricers? are they not
doing the same thing we all did? build fast cars with whats available to them? listen. we all think we have the fastest cars out there and the ricers are no exception. it takes money to build a great street racer. i.e. mony builds horsepower. i would not invest 70k into my car, but if someone els wants to, more power to them. i would not choose a jap car because i have a love for american muscle. do i hate anyone who drives a civic? no! i drive an `03 cobra. i love this car. should any of you hate me for it? hope not. i am not going to hype my ride. is it fast enough? i think so. can it beat everything out there? hell no! have i been smoked by a kid in a ricer? shit yeah! and any one in this forum that thinks (or says) they cant be smoked on the street is just full of themselves. always someone faster. its all good. happy racing and stay cool. jlmcobraR
(Editor's notes: Well I think they key is that they are NOT building fast cars. A Honda Civic with an intake, exhaust, wing and body kit is still a high 15 second car. Do they handle better then a "muscle" car? Certainly. But do they handle better then a 20 year old sports car? Absolutely not. So you end up with a slow car that handles like a wet noodle with a bunch of boy-racer junk tacked on. Hence, ricer.)
|First on the subject of cars in general, most of the “rice burners” spoken of in here are “Front Wheel Drive”. Buying or driving a front wheel drive only shows complete ignorance and lack of brains. Secondly giving a Front Wheel Drive car more HP than what the car was given from the factory is another display of stupidity. Front wheel cars are dangerous, unstable and handle like crap in turns. With added HP they only become more dangerous and harder to handle. Loosing traction with the wheels that steer the car is only asking for an accident. It is not a question of IF but WHEN a driver will have an accident. Why don’t Top Fuel dragsters have front wheel drive? Why doesn’t NASCAR use front wheel drive? Because Front wheel drive is unsafe. Get a clue here guys. Hopping up a front wheel drive car is freakin stupid. If there are any fathers out there, letting your son or daughter in a front wheel drive car as the driver or as a passenger is stupid.|
|I dont think just because you take nissan or a honda and make them look cool or try to make them go fast makes you a ricer. Maybe those people driving 240sx's(like me) or civics with the rims and the wings just one want to have a cool car and arent that concerned with how fast they go.|
|come out and play editor, muahhah
(Editor's notes: OK?)
|i love lawnmowers with a passion, they are so quick and powerfull to much for me to handle, there pretty cheap compared to a car, i like so need to get one, oopse i have to go now i think i brok a nail. ow that hurt but i think i can tuff it out.|
|to afraid to post the shit i gave you foo, er wut? hahahahha, im wit da russian thug on this one baby, shea and we still smokin!$$$$$* ahahhahahhahahahhahahahhahahhahah
(Editor's notes: What the?)
|Okay, let's stop arguing for a moment and look back at the number of "ricer" comments that used proper spelling/grammar, and the number of "non-ricer" comments that did the same. I think I've made my point. Also, there would hardly be any arguing if our import-loving friends simply understood what the word "ricer" really means. I love imports and domestics, but I hate "ricers". I drive an import (an old Saab 9000), and it's not that fast, but I don't go around telling people that it is! By the way, I'm currently studying to be a mechanical engineer and I hate English classes, but honestly ... maybe modern American cars would outpace Japanese cars if more Americans learned a thing or two while they were in school.|
|ricers r losers who think they r fast but they rnt. i am not a ricer. as a matter of fact my 8second run with my skyline is tuff to beat. possible but tuff. but any one thinks thats rice better have a faster car-one that they also use to drive around the city. an can race in circuit races an win three seasons in a row.|
|I own a clean 440, Dodge Charger R/T, single owner since my father bought it in 69 as a teen, fresh, crisp and the second driver is me. Beaten the last camaro produced, beaten the 2006 Mustang, smoked the 2jz Supra, got beaten by a skyline GT-R R34,a porsche GT3 taught me a lesson, i cant find a ferrari owner who would want me to ashame his car, err really got fucked by a Viper-GTS, couldnt handle the turns a Subaru WRX could, really brought shame to a Honda CRX once he got to 140 kph, smoked a BMW Z3 straight out, got screwed by a Golf GtI, got screwed by a mitsubishi evo 6,was humiliated by a '96' custom twinturbo celica, and really thought the honda civic was the perfect car for my sister, so i have only respect for the NSX which i have never raced, and the S2000 which kinda has a pretty take-off, but civic? SI,SiR,Tyoe-R, i have absolutely no respect for those, they are poop..i cant even recall how many friends and foes alike i have beaten in civics(cos they aint got the spirit of a sports car)...ohh if u want a decent and really fassst car, affordable, id advise you on an Alfa Romeo GTV(import it), and by the way my (Dad's) Charger was built in 1969.|
|Note back to Editor: Lighten up my friend! I’ll admit that I may not know the latest hip hop car jargon. But I meant what I wrote, NOT what you assumed I meant! My comment is clearly written, and simply points out that we are ALL car people and cost alone sometimes prevents people from entering different performance platforms. Anyway, good luck to all of you in your future projects.
(Editor's notes: Sarcasm? What's that?)
|dude you can do watever you want to your mustang and ill tell you what my 1.8 liter mr2 will smoke you.....what the fuck do you think a mustang is .... your weak lame ass excuse for a motor on 4 wheels ...... now american cars thats a waste gto's getting smoked by civics and mustangs getting smoked by me and my 1.8
(Editor's notes: Blah blah blah blah Mustang blah blah blah blah MR2 blah blah blah blah....)
|Although I’m an American V8 muscle car lover (I love that American rumble), I have no animosity towards you ricer guys. To other muscle car guys out there, I think it’s important for us to understand that many of the ricers will eventually step-up to our American muscle when the time is right for them. I believe both the muscle car and ricer platforms complement and support the “entire” performance industry. The ricer platform is an affordable platform for many new enthusiast to experiment and learn. I’ll admit, I don’t understand why anyone would spend multi-thousands of dollars on a rice burning daily driver, but a reasonable person can use this platform to learn our trade at a reasonable cost. To you ricers out there, I welcome you to the world of high performance, and I hope to see some of you soon step up to real American muscle, look, sound, history and culture.
(Editor's notes: Here's someone who doesn't know what the term "ricer" means. And someone who thinks that "Americal Muscle" is somehow the pinnacle of automotive development. Sorry, but some of use like to turn and stop as well as go fast in a straight line...)
|heya all I was reading all the responses on this site and i am amazed.. i have a 1989 toyota camry which i picked up for around 3000usd and on the way home, the radiator blew up. its the pretty much stock 2 litre which isn't much to pull the sedan body around but ive given it lots of love. taken it completly apart down to the bare frames and cleaned and retightened and cleaned again to infinity. And when i decided to put on a pod filter i didnt go out like others and buy the nessersary parts, i got the pod and then made my own pipe and attachment to the stock filter, it took me 6 hours but the time was worth it, its gone up 26 hp just by that and my fuel consumption and acceleraion have gone up ten-fold. i think everyone should just read the shit they are typing... because when it all comes down to it, wether we drive a done up mirage or trans-am,, we all love cars. and wether you can afford to put 70 k under the hood or 20 bux i think it comes down to the appreciation of cars... you can try and say "oh my car is better than yours" and ha you suck coz ur only a 2 litre.. but like other things in life,, it aint the size that counts, its how you use it.. I think that very thought when my own lil juice box car gets to 80 kms on a straight from the lights in 5 and a quarter seconds,, leaving all the muscle behind. with no mods,, or turbos or anything.. wake up fuckers!!!! Aus liebe zum automobile! (danke volvo)|
|a letter to the fuckn editor, who just licked the jiz off my hair ass nut sack, ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haha , shea and we still smokin.
my honda lawn mower pops wheelis all and all its 1 or 2 cylinders.
(Editor's notes: Huh?)
|my honda riding lawn mower ran 4.9 at the strip in cali the night on 100 ontane, whellie bars and the whole 9 yards biatch, with 20 inch slicks, weight was 600 pounds, 2000 shot of nos ect.IT GOES TO SHOW YOU THAT 1 CYLINDERS RULE TO SHIT.|
|the point of makin it fast is da hobby of doing it not just bcuz they want to make it fast dum fuks.. i do it bcuz i want my civic hatch faster i do it becuz i want to and plus ill beat any mustang out there rite now with da mods i got and i didnt even pay dat much i know what im doing when it comes to cars and mods
(Editor's notes: This poster came here via a Google search for "black+smoke+of+my+excuast+out+from+my+exhaust"...)
|me personally i like american cars, the only one i hate is the mustang gt. ppl that own them think their gods, and i can bet i can leave them eating my dust with my tiny ass 4 cylinder eclipse!!|
|first of all if you have a 1.8L whatever import.. jee just think whatever you can do to that we can do to our bigger engines.. in the v6 mustangs.. jee whats that ..800hp?? in a V6??? mustang what imports got nothing..
(Editor's notes: Huh?)
|WHAT A GAY ASS FAGAT BITCH.
(Editor's notes: Not even worth it...)
|hey pplz im now driving a 1980 vauxhall cavalier, 2 litre turbo engine, modded to the max, picked the car up for £350 spent around £3000 on it so far, got a roll cage, strutt brace for the soul reason tha if i pop the clutch i lose steering capability to the front whells, that means it pops a wheelie i dont know how high but it does it i reckon a couple of inches but it has got some torque the only reason i have the car is because it was cheap to buy, a project waiting to be undertaken and because of its rear wheel drive, drifts like a beast, fast and the furious tokyo drift theres a new car in town and its old and quick, i want a ae86 though the car that started the world drifting!!!!|
|You fricking morons... I love going out on the street with my GSXR1100 and watching these wankers in their front drive SS Cobalts drag race me. Honestly these fools have no idea about what speed is, or vehicles in general. Get out and realize that life is bigger than Initial D and Fast and the Moronic. If you are an enthusiast then you know what I mean. U just have to laugh at these tools. Most of the population are idiots and the whole tuning culture is often a reflection of this fact. Here's a life lesson- if you want cred in any walk of life, educate yourself!|
|I care bro .... Good for you.. must sound nice ... then again i havent heard a 8cyl stang i havent liked, but any improvment just makes them better .... pedal to the medal bro|
|listen you all carry on the same point it all comes down to raw money investment in your car no matter what we do you get what you pay for there are very few true GOOD DEAlS out there there is always a trade off you buy a honda you do little to no maintenance but you go the speed of smell and look like shit doing it you buy a mustang like mine or a camaro you go alot faster but pay for it in gas and in repairs either way you go you end up paying out money thats generaly hard earned to end up with the same thing my stang id faster than any street car that I know of near me but it also goes through 10x as many parts as the other cars in my area go through and another thing is no matter how fast your car is no matter what kind it is or how much you have invested the saying goes there is always a bigger fish (or in this case faster car) also got new 2&1/2" off road mandrel bent H-pipe in the stang best improvement yet! not that anyone cares....|
|as one last thought to ad in I love a challengeI dont care what you drive Ive been challenged by vets wranglers kias SUVs trucks mx-6's Ive been challenged by a ducati not sure if thats spelled right for the reccord and usualy I win (not always tho the ducati handed my ass to me bad but thats a car vs. a bike) but if u gots the balls to challenge my stang win or lose I always flash a peace sighn at the end of the race to show respect for those with the balls to step up and TRY I lost only one of the aformentioned races and every time I raced I always got a thumbs up for my 89' beefed up stang and gave a peace sighn or thumbs up back. So moral of the story no matter what it is that u drive race someone win or lose atleast you walk away knowing u tryed and won or lost to something with alot of balls to it and there is nothing wrong with that either wich way so keep challenging and keep racing however or whereever you want if u take pride in your car show it|
|ok ok i cant stop laughing ..... ppl are all nutz i Have A used 95 caprice State police car with an LT1 ... now dont get me wrong i like imports as much as the next person but some how i always get that person with a honda or lol neon , that wants to race , and you know what i after i leave them at the light choking on my tire fire as i slowly pull to the next light laughing... my advice enjoy life and any car you drive as life is to short for this dumb ass conflict plus what about chevelle ss 396/454 's novas or chevy ss's gto's you know like boss 302 or shelby gt350/500 ok mabe not for road racing but thats what my friend's twin turbo 300ZX is for lol just tryin make a point every car maker has had or has fast cars .... and ppl LOOK at the NEW Camaro and Mustang quite possibly even for road racing now let me tell ya that new camaro is hot as hell and the Mustang GTR looks just god damn amazing and oh yes they are as fast as they look ........peace to all and motor hard what ever you drive|
|anyone one with a stock civic wanna race a stock 19 year old supra hell ill even take any acura or even a mustang or older style vett, or camro im not about all go no show or all show no go its about keeping them every oh and by the way what r some people thinking with a huge wing FWD some people r just plan stupid stupid|
|I think you all have superiority complexes. my car is faster than yours b/s. shut up and drive|
|ok, so first off i need to say this... aaron you really know how to start an argument with quite possibly the most ignorant people on the internet. i love you. -the show sucked 100% -all of these american muscle dicks who cant grasp the topic at hand need to die. -stock japanese cars are as fast or faster then nearly every american car produced(stock american), save the current gt40 and corvette c6, theyre fast, sadly. -autocross anything from 1970-1989 that was designed in america and you might kill people. -i read your entire piece on 2f2f, god how could you put up with that kid cargod? hes got to be no more then 8 years old. -i own a 2001 stock mitsubishi eclipse gs, its slow, boring, and a bit "gay" but somehow alot of girls like it.. so much for ladder sized spoilers and 37inch wheels gettin all the ladies -i recently drove a stock evo mr, i cant imagine one pushing 30 pounds of boost and pulling 1.2gs on the skidpad.. its mind boggling what kind of autox times he makes -has everybody forgotten that german compacts can make some insane power and race cars? all i need to say is 5cylinder turbos from audi and anybody with a level head should think "oh shit".. theyve been boosted to destroy 1000horsepower awd dynos in europe.. literally one golf 5cyl broke the limit at 7600rpms and came back down at 9k.. only at 2.9bars (max pressure on the track is 3.2) ohhh yeah and when i say track i dont mean drag strip, im talking Road Racing. -i went to the dub auto show yesterday, in boston.. wow there are some truely amazing cars with more money then an average house dropped in them.. theyre purely show, but if you ripped apart the body kits i bet they could go faster then your lil rx-7 =P -my next project i plan to take up is an autocross car, mainly i want to get my hands on one of the elusive galant vr4's (awd 4g63 lighter then eclipses, with better suspension configurations) if you know any place that might have one email me, youve got my email address =)|
|Youre totally right. I have 2 camaro's and im only 15. I paid for both and they would kick any ricers ass around here. If you want power get a V8 or at least a decent V6 instead of buying slow ass cars that look good.|
|Exactly what do ricers tune? For the few people out there who have independent Fuel / Ignition, yeah you can advance and "Tune" the car a bit better, on the highend is where you want it. I will say that some retard in an RX-7 blew the doors off my stock '85 vette. But then again it was stock, I was on the interstate, and could not afford any more tickets. I let him find the police that night. My first car was an '82 Olds Cutlass - New engine + trans. I put it in 8 years ago, still have it. Its comfortable and cool. Learn that not everything has to go fast. My second project - 1950 Chevy Truck.Now I have been working on this for 7 years (college got in the way) As I go to all of these shows you see the same retarded crap - 350 engine, 350 trans - red paint & leather. - SCREW THAT! I have a 283 + a Super T10 Trans. I think I am going to turbo that thing and keep the .411 rear end? Thoughts? BTW - why don't more people do a turbo 350 and why isn't there a reasonably priced kit for it. JESUS!|
|where is the frickin croch rockets who reads peoples comments|
|Ricers are gay "all show no go" what the fuck is that. Why do you dumbass kids have cars that look fast but are slow as fuck. Talk about a fuckin dumbass why to spead all your money. Do you even get puss with civics? I have a 95 2g talon awd with over 400hp, I love smoking on all you fags! See u fags on the streets!|
|lets see which came first, the ricer or the fast and the furious. all of you people know that ricer came first and the fast and the furious copy the ricer. way before the fast and the furious came out there were already ricer out there with body kit, huge wing, and huge muffler.|
|there have been people 'ricing out' cars since god knows when. before they were called ricers they were called boy racers or other such names, people tying to make their cars look fast without actually being fast. what the movie did was turn modifing cars into pop culture, so clueless idiots could jump on the bandwagon without learning about what they were doing. once upon a time four cylinder tuners worked towards building a car that was as fast as or could beat a v8, a rather lofty goal. the v8 guys could respect four cylinders and the four cylinder owners could respect the v8s. both for the quality of work they put into their repsective machines. then these movies came along that portreyed all imports as supercars, only imports were shown which gave the sheeple the idea that everything else sucked. Basically some easily impressionable people went and saw the movie, and then decided that they wanted to be like brian / toretto or whoever and have cars like them. you know, like how after little kids went and saw harry potter they dressed up like little witches and wizards and went around pretending to cast spells. how cute. BTW - I have quite a collection of old car magazines, and it is interesting to note the styles of cars before and after the movie came out. after the movie there was more veilside bodykits, neon, aluminum wings and giant mufflers.|
|WTF is "Technoloy"????
(Editor's note: Likely a misspelling?)
|Domestic fuken sucks they have absoluetly no technoloy built into they're engine, all they do is make the engine displacement as Big as possible. why don't you shove a jet engine into them. import sucks? FUCk You bitch, F1 is the fastest and richest sport in the world and who participate? imports bitch HONDA, TOYOTA, MERCEDEZ BENZ, BMW, FERRARI. f1 can hit a 7 second 1/4 jmile time with ease. domestic can only participate in nascar, why cause they don't know jack shit, hell they're driver only knows how to turn left ever seen nascar drivers turn right? lance shut the fuck up, you're a disgrace to all imports and exotics, if it wasn't for your parents you would probaly be driving a old ass civic, you would probaly soup it up with gay shit too 20 inch rims lowered till theres 1 inch clearance, no name 6 inch exhaust and when you drive on the streets you would only be going 40 cause ur gonna scrap the body and ur wheels are gonna rub, and old grannies will honk at you for going to slow.|
|fuken ricerz are fuck up to the max, their probably the ones who act like their all that and when they street race they kill innocent people and also kill them self, making the government more and more strict on street racing and speeding. its probably their fault that canada now has a strict as fuck law against street racing. he bill recommends raising maximum sentences to life in prison for the most serious cases and also calls for mandatory driving bans for those convicted. Toews said under the proposed legislation, a first-time offender could get a mandatory minimum sentence of one year. "On a second offence a mandatory minimum of two years prohibition and on the third, three years," Toews said. "But a judge would have the discretion to raise that mandatory minimum to 10 years, 14 years and in some cases even life imprisonment." FUCK YOU RICERS, go to playland and learn how to drive in those bumper cars.|
|Aaron, isn't the reason you screen these posts to keep goof-balls under control? what do you call thugn?|
|If you like imports or Americian iron . No matter what side you are on the other side will always hold their minds as to what they like . I just bought a 240sx . Is it fast ? Hells no , it has a truck motor in it for crying out loud I have built a 400hp 5.0 Capri. I also built up a b16 honda for my civic . I had fun with either car .The honda didn't produce near the horse power the 5.0 liter did but I could runs for days on a tank of fuel with it and have a blast driving it .Went through tires like water though. The Capri cost around .50cents a minute to run . I like the sound of a "properly tuned" import motor . And there is nothing that can take the V8 rumble away. Its awesome .These "ricers" are the kids with stock honda's , cavilars, sunfires , ect. That think because they haven't driven anything faster that their cars are the fastest around . "Wings make my car look faster , my muffler makes me sound faster , ect "Those are ricers . My civic won't beat every V8 out there but it has beat alot . So drive what you have, laugh , as we all do , at slower cars . And the rivalry will live forever .P.S. "ricers drive mustangs and cameros 2|
|krick, crack crack, livin in da shack, wit a fat stack to mack, i gots me a mutha fukin v50 and inline 2 cylinder, shea and we still smokin.
(Editor's note: Um, what?)
|bitch, yo, straight up i be like revin ta shit on ya ass at like 35 thou rpms, shea.|
|lance i dont give a fuck what cha ass says bitch, how bout we settle dis shit, fuckin punk ass bitch, talkin shit on a forum, i rip ya bitch ass apart. and i stand by my word to fuck. dont worry i find you, dont be scared little homo faget.
(Editor's note: Do you actually talk like this in real life? If so, how has someone not yet shot you?)
|got ya lance, just kidden man ha, ha, its alright!|
|oh yea, "MUSCLE CARS rely on a big ass engines, liters, and displacement, rather than technology to deliver its GOODS." dont get me wrong though i do like to drive them, they are the real deal and sound good, but the quote is the truth.|
|excitment is the key here peeps, its whatever busts your bullet, learn to have a little respect for everything, keep it clean, fresh and not gottied up. bashers are the madly jealous ones for some reason and that goes for everything in life.|
|its funny to see all the american companies and fans starting to get all angry and shit because the japense are takin over in allot ot ways. the slanty eyed dudes no what the fuck there doin, more people need to realise it. like taking a engine building it half the size of an amarican engine, and almost being just fast with sweet gas milage. supra, skylin, 300zx, 350z, some 4cylinders, 3000gt, ect, its the truth
(Editor's note; Are you done yet?)
|I got nothin against Domestics. I own a 86' C4 CORVETTE and a HONDA CRX si with a LS SWAP.... I preffer driving the HONDA....
As for RICE. Most people that that sit behind a domestic car automatically assume ALL HONDAs are RICED OUT... Which I think is pretty funny, for one.... HONDAs AREN'T EVEN IN THE SAME CLASS, and they keep up on the track and in some cases dominate against V8's..
RICE= THE WAL-MART SPECIAL.Tore up body kit, stickers, hub caps, exhaust tips, fake hood scoops and cut springs...
DONT GET IT TWISTED.. SPONSORED CARS IN THE 12's EARN THE RIGHT TO PUT A NOTCH UNDER THERE BELT WITH STICKERS.. hahaha
(Editor's note: Sweet, CRX with an LS swap...Got any pictures?)
|Damn, you'd think RICH KIDS would be doin sumthin better with there lives... I think somebody is talkin out of ther ass...LANCE, V16 with modded everything... GET A FUCKIN LIFE... you obviously don't know what you're talking about.. DETAILS, DETAILS.. c'mon.. what makes a story good or at least BELIEVABLE... ___________?|
|god damn yanks ye have been havin this argument for how many years get over it japs make better cars then ye so what,ye jus cant handle the fact sumbody is better then ye at sumthing.why do ye think we all drive jap imports in ireland,cuz your big 7.4 rear wheel drives wouldnt last pissing time over here|
i have a lamborgini diablo and yes im rich off my ass(well parents)
i took out the engine and dropped a v16 in the custom built
and modded everything from top to bottom
put about 100k iin it took it to track put your weelie bars on it
i didnt crive it that time
the Edie morris flipped it and tootaled it still with a weelie bar on it
to much power for u big boy
(Editor's note: Right....)
|Seems to me that the discussion is a closed loop argument. How many different ways can you say the same shit. I dont know, i refused to read all the way down once i saw my tool bar still at the top after reading for 30 minutes. Anyway, I own an '03 Acura CL Type-S. Only mods are Comptech exhaust and springs. Its fast enough. What i dont understand is how someone will buy a 5k car and spend 10 or 15k on it. Fool, stack your chips and just buy a better car to begin with. With that money you could buy your favorite car, same brand, just more new, and it might have a warranty.|
|spoolin up v8's & shitn em out my huge ass exaust pipe, and after i win the race, i be like, to much revs fo ya ass bitch, then i will jizz in your mouth and cylinders. so eat a dick bitches, lick my mutha fuckin balls, shea wut up me insano syko livita. ha .|
|Damn freedom of speech.... Seriously tho, Dsmtuner20 WHOEVER you may be, just shut the fuck up, do us a favor and dont ever speak your mind again. civics, camaros, and mustangs....theres just more to life What about Grand Nationals? Or the Iroc Daytonas? ITS TRUE!!! Not every american made car has a 5.0 or a 5.7 As for innovative engineering, European cars take all And why is it every riceburner finds it necessary to tell me his Red line? High revs are over-rated, and you guys are gay-|
|HONDAS SUCK PLAIN AND SIMPLE!!!!!...I have a 91 eagle talon tsi awd,a 04monte carlo ss supercharged,and a 81 CHEVY BLAZER with a 8inch lift and a 454 big block that loves to eat your lil hondas. YOU JUST CANT GET ANY POWER OUT OF THOSE LIL 4 BANGERS!!!!...only if you want to spen alot. thr RX-7 is a bad ass lil car..but it dont have the plain jane engine in it either.if you want a good racer that will take the punishment and keep on going get a chevy, if you want a gas saver buy a honda...or a bicycle there about the same in power......if the V8's were not good engines ....then why does NASCAR use em'........DO YOU SEE ANY LIL RICE BURNERS OUT DOING 500 LAPS AROUND A TRACK DOING 200+ MILES AN HOUR!!!!!|
|what is with the domestic / imports are unreliable, depending on your point of view? how reliable a car is depends mostly on how you treat it and look after it. you don't perform basic maintainence on a car like you should, or thrash the hell out of it and it will not last as long as if you looked after it, no matter what sort of car it is. however a sports car will usually take more punishment then an economy car, be it import or domestic. they are built, to a certain degree, to be driven harder. onto the origional topic of this page, I went into an 'performance workshop' and asked how much to get an adapter plate made up to mount a turbo on my car, I was just comparing prices at this point and had already been to an exhaust shop. the car was a 1985 300zx, and I knew exactly what I needed to perform the turbo install with regards to fuel, pipework, computer control etc... the dipstick behind the counter (who looked like he was just out of high school) started telling me how I needed low compression pistons, a custom manifold made up etc.... all without looking at my car or asking things like how much boost I wanted to run etc... mr performance expert made no mention of the fuel or computer system, but was quite happy to tally up how much he was going to charge me as he was talking, all with his 'I know all about cars and am better then you' attitude. if we would have done things his way my car would have melted do to the tiny fuel injectors.... I have had to talk a mechanic through how my car works and what some of the parts were, parts like a water temperature switch. so if you think it is bad when a tv show or movie has stupid stuff like that mentioned in the origional article of this page, consider how bad it is when the people who are supposed to be the experts are just as bad! you need to learn about your car and engine, and how parts and mods work. even if it is just so you can tell the good workshops from the bad....|
|Actually the car thats an upside down bath tube is the early porshe editor|
|Fuck all the performance shit. I drive a 96 eagle talon TSI AWD. Its got lotsa go. Cruz in style and get a job all you mooching fuckers. Mommy and daddy cant pay for you all your lives. GET A JOB and bitch about that.
(Editor's note: Talon...Talon...Right, the car that's an upside-down bathtub...)
|MAN fuck mustangs and cameros and their fucking v8 engine they junk man how the fuck u motherfuckers don't get it gm cars suck!|
|Hey i have a question i have a 1991 honda civic its a race car. I just want to no if any one knows how to get rid of the rev limiter in it. its the stock motor (d15b2). i was told to ground out something in the computer but im not sure if anyone knows please e-mail me thanks
(Editor's note: There are plenty of Honda forums around. Google for "temple of vtech".)
|Some of the talk in here is retarded. How many of the people in here are actually tuners?!?!?! I have raced and modified both import and domestic cars and I want to make a few things clear. A few comments a people said I would like to respond to.
Idiot: Imports Suck!
Me: Imports as in the Hondas they make in the US or imports as in the ones sold in Japan that you really don't know about?
Idiot: Domestics Suck!
Me: So their isn't a domestic that could beat your import??
Idiot: Imports suck but I have respect for some imports. a b c....blah blah blah
Me: So a 500hp civic sucks and a stock RX-7 is respectful?
Idiot: There is no substitute for cubic inches
Me: Subaru WRX STi, Nissan Skyline, Toyota Supra, Mazda RX-7, Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution, and many many more.
My Point: Compare respectivley idiots. Some people race imports and others race domestics. If youre a ghetto ricer that screw you. If youre a hick ass muscle lover then screw you too. Appreciate the art of cars and racing not the clicks that go with them.
(Editor's note: For the record, I have worked on and "tuned" more cars then I can remember...)
|"I can't wait for Vtec to kick in YO!" haha priceless|
|NO SHIT there is anO'l hillbilly saying "there is no substitute for CUBIC INCHES." As for 1or 2 turns ever here of SEBRING FLA. If not look it up they hold a 24hr ROAD race there.Anyway the Industry . Rice or domestic has not changed in the last seventy six years!!!|
|Man i love how everyone says the same thing. Hmm ill try to be different. Anyway obviously a RWD V-8(induction or not) will beat a FWD car in the 1/4. Its a fact of physics. But how realistic and practical is it to drive 1/4 in every direction. Where in the world is it 1/4 right then 1/4 straight and then 1/4 left really? True canons and massive wings are a bit over the top, but you cant rag on people who have honda's. I myself have a Rsx type-s with induction(turbo), Intake( AEM CAI forced intake), full exahust(HKS Header, 3" GREDDY exhaust, HKS racing cams, 100 shot NOS, and 17" enkei Evo-5's with toyo T1R proxes. Now i admit even with all this i cant take on a RWD V-8 in a 1/4, but if there is 1 or 2 turns in a track you can say goodbye to you gold trophy you fucking redneck hill billy sister fucking goat milking farmer!|
|Well, i've read about 20 of these few hundred posts and already have a headache. Why are we comparing cars, such as the Civic vs Mustang, in such a manner? They are not even close to one-another to be comparable. Ok your mustang is faster 0-100 (0-60mph, sorry i'm an aussie), but if i plant it in my civic i don't use even a 1/4 of the fuel & rubber you do.(hypothetically speaking... i don't actually drive a civic). Even though the civic is very slow, is has its good points, as does the mustang. Owning any type of car has its tradeoffs for its good points. You will never find a car thats the best, or 100 times better than another car. Look at the costs of a civic VS a mustang, and not just the price of the car. Look at running and maintenance costs. Obviously the mustang will use more fuel, run a more expensive tyre (due to rim size), and parts will cost more (compare the price of 4 spark plugs to 6 or 8),etc; not to mention reliability. I'm not saying that the mustang will be unreliable, but in my trade its been seen many times over that the domestic japanese car is more reliable. But of course the trade off for having a cheaper car is performance. These are the 3 factors in choosing a car: cost, reliability, performance. Choose two of these and the 3rd is always ruled out. Go on, try it. You can have a cheap performance car, but it will not be as reliable. You can have a reliable performance car but it will not be cheap. Etc... There are tradeoffs in everything. Thats why i bought my R34, it wasn't cheap, but its reliable and fast. It goes good in a straight line, corners very well and brakes hard; everything i need and more and is still drivable on the street. Jed Mcfadden, nice car, nice mods, but if you accelerate hard up to 120, and a grandma in a VW golf happens to pull out in front of you, what do you do? Why do i see no brake upgrades? If people want to put $70k into their civic then let them be, personally i'd rather put $70 into a house. In my honest opinion, more than 90% of people that have posted here are race-driver wannabees, or think that their car is the best thing on the road. Well thats just my opinion judging by what has been said above. Try telling somebody their car is crap; if they are truly passionate about cars then they will take no notice, laugh and agree, or disagree with evidence. If they are not passionate- just a wannabee, their response will be "race me mofo!".|
|i agree 100% a car should have performance to match the styling. i own a 2002 mustang gt 621rwhp supercharged, and a 92 accord ex coupe with a turbo equiped JDM H22. im not going to post a list of all the parts that i've put into each. that would take up too much space. each car took about 26K to get to current state including the cost of the car. the mustang has about 60k on motor while the honda has about 26k on motor without any problems from either car. so i get tested at stoplights from both sides. each car has its pros and cons (nothing that would make me say one is better than the other) but they both serve purppose and that why i still own them both. as long as you don't pull up to me with a car that looks like its going 150mph standing still (without the performance to back it up) and challenge me to a race then im cool with whatever you drive. i encourage anyone the modify thier car just do it so you have a balance of performence and looks.|
|y did this tread start as one thing and end as anouther. First off you can make any car fast honda or mustang. They both are great cars and if you have the time and money you can make these cars very fast. Secand the original purpose was to talk about how kids now a days want all show and no go. Ricers are people that do all cosmetic work and think that a spoiler ( yes i said spoiler not wing!!!!) make your car go fast. these people are usually under educated when it comes to motors and arodinamics. you guys are argueing about the samething every one of you say that there car is faster and they put this much in performance mods on their car that is not ricing. the first statement on this thread was that you need an equal amount of performance as you do style. now that i got my point across '57 bel airs rule!!!!!!|
|Holy shit. It's stupid to even be arguing over this whole thing after 4 goddamn years. Even the editors are tired of this bs. Compare Camaros with Mustangs against themselves. Not an econobox with half the amount of cylinders.|
|i have a 1981 f250, which had 400,000 miles on it b4 it blew cuz i did it on purpose had it redlined for about 10 mins on the free way, im 19 years old now, i built the engine myself and has about 410 hp and 505 lbs torque, it's in a 5700 lbs truck and i do the 1/4 in 15.3 starting in second gear with 35 inch mud tires, come on ricers suck, im building a 1969 429 bore and strokin into a 520 cubic inch engine and putting into a mercury couger, try and beat that when it'll have about 642 hp and 648 lbs torque, and the car and engine together will cost about 8,000 together and do 8.5 1/4 mile. and im only 19 in the marine corps, so i make no money at all.
(Editor's note: Yawn...whatever...)
|These cars will always be compared because they are vying for the same demographic market. So when you choose one you are set up to diss the other.
Heres the comparison: The buyers of both these cars are looking to it as their daily driver/ primary or usually only car, not a second car for racing. So both SHOULD be trying to balance three things: STYLE, PERFORMANCE, and PRACTICALITY. Let see how they compare:
1. STYLE: Civics are timelessly stylistic, the american cans look dated after a year. Look at the newest sports cars coming out and they look more like my slightly modded 95 civic ex. right down to the grill. As a matter of fact, the Volkswage commercial where they unpimp the ride? It looks like they designed that car after those mid 90's riceburners they are demolishing. Hondas and for the most part other japanese cars are consistently at least a decade ahead of american cars in style. That means they'll look good (esp w. abundance of subtle and tasteful mods available) long past the working life of an american car if you could stand to endure its accelerated obscelence (mechanical as well as aesthetic)
2. PERFORMANCE. My 95 civic ex got plenty of get up and go for what I need it for, which is not street, drag or autocross racing. Although with my 5spd i could beat most of the teenage girls who drive the automatic mustangs around here off the line.
3. PRACTICALITY. CIvics are incredibly designed. There is more leg room in the back seat of my coupe than in most of todays "SUVs". What can you put in the backseat of a stang? nothing with legs. My civic gets 26 - 32 mpg still after 11 years. I NEVER have to have any work done on it, EVER!! I barely change the oil twice year.
I don't dislike mustang owners, i just pity them because they shortchanged themselves in pursuit of some "AMERICAN MUSCLE, YEAH!" idea yeah right. "I bought it off the lot" how boring too.
Mustang owners, we don't care how fast u think your car is. Its still ugly, overpriced, and will break down far more often. I got my car for $7,000 in 2000, and put very little money in making it much more of a headturner than your mustang will ever be.
BTW I don't have any spoiler at all because I don't want to do wheelies down the freeway like you guys warn about. But if rims, lowering, and ground effects make me ricey, i wear it proudly! ALso, can you guys reccomend a good vtec sticker, chrome pipe, altezza lights, foglamps, squirter LEDs, green underglow, Z3 fender and homemade aluminum superwing sloped UPWARD to INCREASE FW, a little hula girl dash ornament and a good bobble head puppy dog for rear dash?
(Editor's note: Maybe I'm strange, but timelessly styled? The Civic is just another boring econobox with the styling of a boring econobox...And frankly the Mustang is just as ugly...)
|Hondas are cool dude, my friends dad has one. It has twice pipes and a big thing on the back, and the front. The sides are pretty big too. Actually the car is quite massive, and probably weighs about 2000 pounds. No, wait, come to think of it... its not a Honda, its an accord.|
|Dude..comon... its all about looks and speed..i own a 1990 Nissan Skyline R32 GT-R..Everything listed below is what i've done with it..and i still can do more!:
Body Kit: NISMO
Suspension: Apex-N1 Damper-Pro
Section Camber arms
Wheels: Work-Equip 18inch
Installations: HKS-F-con-V-Pro ECU
Tomei 1.2mm head gasket
Tomei Camshaft x2
Tomei Fuel pump
SARD 700cc injectors x6
HKS TO4Z Turbo kit + GT wastegate
HKS Triple-plate clutch
HKS Oil cooler
Greddy, Oil/P, Oil/T, Water/T
(Editor's note: And? How is this relevant at all?)
|Who cares how fast any of your cars driving around are?
If you are racing on a racetrack you should have a fast car, if your driving to work you don't want to get pulled over for speeding all the time and be late for work, then if you get fired you might not could afford some of the great MODs such as 17"rims, plastic lips and sideskirts, and lowering springs.
I bet some of you have even waxed your ugly looking stangs even though it doesnt make it go faster, but because deep inside you want your car to be as pretty as my black 95 civic ex with aforementioned mods and a high gloss provided by NU FINISH (plus i keep the tires looking wet with some kind of spray). Thank you.
BTW I noticed my cousins plasticky looking STANG has fake air dams??? nobody with fake, dragproducing air dams (i guess thats what you call it, like it looks like the air should rush in to help the engine or whatever, but it bounces off the plastic instead) nobody with these should hate on civics
(Editor's note: Who cares? It's not about what kind of car you drive. It never was. And why does everyone always compare the Civic to the Mustang? Serioiusly, I want to know.)
|HI to all . ok i have a 97 honda civic ex or ek coupe with with less then 1000 dollers i run 15.6 in the 1/4 but i am not here to talk about that i love all kinds of cars when i was younger i wanted a 97 ss cammro but i ended up with a 86 crx lol no joke yeah i was pissed but i was 16 with my frist car i did't know nothing about body kits and lights under cars and big rims and subwoofers and nos i knew nothing nothing nothing but i got in to it yeah i fucked up that car by puting in two 12's and lowering it and after maket rims . but i sold it to a unhappy child more like a rich 20 yr old for 4 grand lol and i got the ek now my ek is lowed and with dc heads to a obx after market cat to apexi cat back muffler syt no carbon fiber or big wings no after market rims yes i have some mods and soon to put the turbo kit all i need in the eg ecu and the patch wiring kit but cars are cars and mustangs and cammros are faster . but remember were all black when the lights go out|
|Guys, this is a really great thread, but i'm a bit worried. I read an article that said people who spend loads of time modding their cars or talking about their cars usually have a really small penis. I didn't think much of it at first, but then I realized that I have a classic mini cooper that doesn't go very fast, has no modificiations and rarely features in any of my conversations - but I am really well hung so it's not something I've been too bothered about. Keep up the great postings.
(Editor's note: That's great! Best comment ever.)
|ok first off there are a few good imports out there but none of them are hondas. This 70k honda is retarded. u could make a geo metra run 9 second 1/4s with that kinda money get a real car to start with no a car that runs a measley 17.2 1/4 stock or 17.0 for the EX. I own a 1989' mustang gt with a 302 5.0 ltr windsor smallblock v8. The cars parts and mods are as follows light wheight flywheel, zoom racing cluch, hurst short throw shift kit, the car weighs exactly 3,193lbs. trick flow intake manifold and cam shaft, trick flow twisted wedge aluminum racing heads, bbk roller rockers, and custom fit piston rings, my block was ported and reconditioned, trick flow 40 lbs. fuel injectors, trickflow throttle body, bbk cold air injection, and upgraded bbk MAF censor, dual flowmaster american thunder racing exaust, trick flow headers and a steeda 180 amp alternator, an upgraded wheel size from the stock 15" to a 16" this car puts out 383 bhp and 471 ft/lbs of torque it runs a quarter in under 11 seconds. Now I would be more than happy to put one of u honda posers in my rearveiw mirror because you guys dont know what ur talking about, put ur stats up do u even know what an engine is? dumb question if u did u wouldnt be driving hondas.
(Editor's notes: Who cares...Really, who cares...)
|fuck rice, jdm for life
(Editor's note. Wow, you're cool.)
|no matter what,you just aint gonna look cool in any import.
(Editor's note: My RX-7s are fairly "cool". My Insight has also a high coolness factor because it's so unique. I consider most Ferraris relatively "cool" as does probably 99% of the car buying public...Lots of people like BMWs, and as much as it pains me to say this many people think a Honda Civic is "cool".)
|I was reading this board and someone said that the Japaneese were pioneers in turbocharging... get your shit straight.. SAAB invented the turbo and together with Porche brought it to the mainstream. If you want to really impress anyone, go get a volvo saab or bimmer and spend some money upgrading these already refined cars, and beat the crap out of all your hondas, mustangs and camaros in style and comfort. Its nice to know that I can blow by almost all of you in a car with class, while sitting on heated leather seats looking at my nav system. Dumbasses.|
|ok guys lets talk about 1994 mustang 1994 acura integra facts 1994 mustang gt 220hp 178 t we added 6pd supercharger 42pd injectors snow performence meth big tube headers h pipe cat back 80 mil mass air ecu custom chip we got 373fp 425ftpounds runs 11.2
still runs ok now the acura gsr moter je pistons 20pd turbo aem engine management injectors not sure hp car ran 11.7 note that mustang moter is stock never opened mustang acura does not how about those facts
(Editor's note: Who cares?)
|hey buddy i did not know 2002 mustangs came 5.0 hahahahahahahahahahahaha|
|honda civics only came with 130hp so if you can get 500hp to wheels dont you think thats pretty amazing
(Editor's note: Not really considering you have to replace nearly every part of the engine to achieve that.)
|Austrialian, you are much mistaken. That LPE Corvette that ran an 8.95@153mph was 802rwhp. The 1038hp Corvette that was dynoed and has video available on their website was a TT C6 with the LS2 engine. Why argue about something like that anyway? They have the same engine as the Commodore and are capable of the same amount of power. LPE expects to be able to get over 1100rwhp with the LS2 and more from the LS7 with less work.|
|if you kids want fast, drop two wheels, a few thousand pounds and get a motorcycle, not a single one of your paperweights rice or america will hold a flame, it gives me no greater pleasure than lane splitting two racing rice tards and leaving then in the dust. and i only spent 9 g's.
(Editor's note: Some of us like to drive in the rain or cold, carry luggage, etc.)
|I liked Hi-Rev Tuners. It's off the air now after two seasons. In the second season they changed the hosts. The original guy and one of the girls left and they got a new guy plus another guy who's a mechanic. They added a how-to segment and had less of the show cars. Two Guys Garage (and Shadetree Mechanic) is made by the same producers. I watch all the car shows on Speed, Spike (TNN) and ESPN.|
|I have been reading some of what has been said and well i will have to agree with someone. A car is an expression. i personaly drive the most hated of cars; I own a 1969 CORVAIR ooooo big deal but thats what i like it is not stock but is tastfuly done. Most Jap. cars are over done and which looks stupid as i always say the size of the wing is directly perposionate with the size of the drivers wanna be ego. like i said a car is who you are. I autocross my 69 corvair and no she has never even come close to rolling over, but as a daliy drive i have a 1990 Saab 900s turbo which by the way Saab was the innovator of a turbo not any Jap. car sorry. I am truly an European car man myself and a german car will out preform most rice burners both in speed style and oh yes in reliablity my saab has over 300k and can still burn rubber and i have not had to do any work with it in fact when i bought my corvair i used my Saab to tow her 186 home. Every car has its points yes a rice burner can be quick but with few excetions can never out style a European. An american Car can Sound great and still haul ass and a european is a good middle car they may not sound as good as an american mustang but better than a honda and will out run a honda anyday but as they say you get what you pay for you spend 28k on a new 05 dodge charger which i really like you can get a nice car with class you spend 12k on a honda you get a little car with a hampster and wheel, but with the differance in price you can up grade that hampster lol and keep up with that charger maybe even out run it but again i all boils down to personality like i said i feel the pain of both sides i get laughed at for my corvair by both american car lovers because well its a corvair and by ricers b.c well its domestic and you know what that little flat 6 has about 250bhp believe it or not, with custom heads fited for 6 carbs the works and i paid 900 for the car 3k for the engine parts and about another 1500 for paint seats and other odds and ends and can get out of its own way if she needs to. Sure i have betten my fair share of hondas and other imports but you knwo what i have had my butt handed to me many of times before too, thats the whole thing. same goes for mustangs and camaros. But thats the whole fun of buying a car fixing it up and seeing what it can do so what if it out runs the other guy or not be happy you have something. all cars have there pluses and minus big deal buy what fits you thats all. oh and one more thing lol as for those STUPID little hybrid cars from Japan you can shove it a turbo diesel VW 5spd can get over 50 MPG and has been for like 30 years and can out run a hybrid anyday.
(Editor's note: My "stupid" little hybrid Insight often returns mileage of over 90MPG on my weekly trip from London to Toronto...In fact I think I've only seen as low as 50MPG once while driving through 6 inches of snow in -20 degree weather two years ago...)
|all of you shut the fuck up. Why do you care what someone else drives. You don't know what someones situation may be and what they like. I don't sup up honda's but I happen to think they are good cars. If you havent noticed most Ricers are teens. What do you old Bitches think they can afford because you know whoever said they put 50k in an accord is a damn lie.|
|Lol, the good ol import vs domestic debate at it's finest... Helo everyone!! It S&*ts me when people say they love american muscle plus japanese performance. Because when ricers modify classic cars they always end up with hideous impalas with 22 inch polished chrome rims and more stickers than a travel bag. I've seen it done. My uncle builds Hot Rods. One that he built for himself is a cruiser, a 33 coupe. The true american year. It has a 454 big block. Basically only the chassis and motor are heavy because the rest is fibreglass. Very lightweight. It's built for cruising so it has long gears. We were going uphill in first at 70kph (45ish mph) and it was steadily at 1.8 grand. When we cruised down the highway at 100kph (62mph) a Honda Jazz passed us, so my uncle dropped it into first, lost traction momentarily and hit 150kph (93ish mph) in 1.5 seconds before shifting to 2nd and reached 240kph (145ish mph) before snapping the speedo (irreplaceable [custom]) as it only goes to 200kph. (120mph) All i'm saying is I'd like to see a stock 4 cylinder engine go 42ish uphill in first at 1.8 grand no worries and loose traction at more than 100kph. This is what muscle car owners think of most ricers: ftp://ftp.sysadmin-racing.com/videos/Street/02-4-SillyAccordAtStoplight.mpg until this happens: ftp://ftp.sysadmin-racing.com/videos/Street/Civic%20Eats%20Corvette.mpeg Yep the civic beat the corvette!! Instead of listening to you guys tear each other's balls off, I'll just go read my STREET commodores magazine, which has the 2005 commodore of the year, it has 1190rwhp, (That's rear wheel horsepower for the ricers) and a completely custom cooling system so you can drive for thousands of kilometres (that's r before e) without it boiling over. And it looks completely stock, no bonnet (not hood) protrusions. Hell not even an aftermarket tacho. It'll beat the good ole lingenfelter engineered 1038 rwhp Corvette which has a best et (That's Elapsed Time) of 8.95 @ 153mph with an auto transmission!!. Here's the vid: http://www.lingenfelter.com/img/press/lpe%20-%208%20sec%20Vette.mov I'd like to see a street legal civic do better! Anyway, i'll dream about the 1190 rwhp commodore (street legal) while you guys debate about this for the next 70 years. (Because we all live to around 80) P.S. And I'll tell you what, my paddok basher 4 banger cortina with extractors sounds better than a fart can on a rice burner.|
|I love V8 Power! only because here in australia it's not overpopulated, people don't need manouverable cars, which is the main reason why real people get hatch craps... whoops, i mean hatch backs. You'd be a fool to get one otherwise. The only vehicles i'd get other then a v8 is a bike, a Supra or a skyline. To be honest i've seen Supras completely demolish LS1 powered Trans Ams and Camaros (An LS1 is a 5.7[usually] litre v8 which can run high elevens with drag radials, cam job and a tune up. We're doing it in australia) And even quicker skylines! The truth is, these apples and oranges cannot be compared by performance but by style. (unless you take into consideration the fact that the fastest accelerating wheel driven vehicle in the world is a top fuel dragster which runs a hemi v8 configuration) Have you ever noticed that more people turn their heads to a stock looking classic v8 than a stock rice burner? Also, the most irritating sound i've ever heard is a modified rotary 80's rx7... ARRRRR god help me!! I find it most hilarious when i hear ricers say they want to be different and put fart cans on their cars! lol, they all do it. And if you want to be different, get a high performance classic muscle car that doesn't have a toilet bowl sticking out the bonnet. They're rarer then rice! Anything made before 1969 suits me just fine... and a SLR5000 Torana (V8 of course) P.S. Don't ever mention a second or third gen camaro to me, they are uglier than the fourth gen's! (Except the 81 camaro, that's sick as all hell!)|
|import boys why are you gona talk mess on hot rods, or muscle car, do you forget who started everything you are doing, it was the american hot rodders of the 50s, and ive seen cars that are fast as hell on both sides imports and domestic its all about whos got more money, you can virtually make any car fast. just something to think about
(Editor's note: I think you'll find that hotrodding started a little before the '50s. I'd be willing to bet that back in the very late 1800s as soon as there were two cars in a town one of the first things that took place was a race...)
|everyone should just get a bike not a cycle but a regular pedaled bike|
|Sup people yeah so i dont know about this but you cant compare civics to a camaro or a trans am......cmon.....i mean stock to stock we all know the camaro or the trans am will rape it.....but your mistaking what is known as a real import for the economy cars that some punk ass teenagers are souping .......the real imports would be the R34 skyline ,supra's, nsx's now put those on the track and have some real competition......still with 2 cylinders less they could put up some real competition i mean its sad........im not a ricer but i do Own a 96' maxima SE u know 4 discs brakes' 5 speed manual sunroof wheels its a 4 door.......and i have fun raping those little civics i raced a few fast one's that would run a good high 13's did you ever imagine a 4 cylinder running that fast i respect them for what they are if they are done right........true the ones that make alot of noise and go nowhere are gay and they are also always showed up so what are you mad for ......racing is for fun .....im sure they could get a Pinto to run a quarter mile in 10 secs with the right amount of money.....its all about the money and fun if u have a trans am and your out to race civics i think pretty low of you......this arguement is never going to end just because theres gonna be lil shit talkers everywhere so just find your competition and have fun......|
|this is hilarious. 92 pages of argument originating from J pointing out that a show didn't completely explain the way turbochargers worked. Peace out|
|to all the muscle heads out there doggin out civics with loud exhaust and intakes, obviously have nothing better to say and have probly been blown away by a real civic once or twice dont worry your not the first. we real importers dont claim them but everyone starts somewhere. your brand new z28 camaro you just dropped 30k might beat my 02 civic not likely but hey it could happen i have to sleep sometime, but you seen to forget i have four less cylinders. all im saying is give credit where credit is due and stop bashing those who dont know its not cool to be the loudest civic in town and concentrate on switching gears before you get to to 5600 rpm or its gonna blow while im still in first gear on that ass
(Editor's note: Yawn...Move of the same...)
|Yeah Sure Ricers Such As Civics with a suped up modified engine that can overpower a v8 engine, but have you ever thought of racing a suped up modifeid ricer[civic,crx,etc.] vs a suped up modified v8 engine such as the camaroZ28, [ss], mustang mach 1, mustang cobra, firebird, trans am, or possibly a supercharged lighting. have you thought of that ? i've seem them all drag race in the quarter mile, they get 9's like in the high 9's. hell i saw a stock camaro Z28 beat the suped up acura integra, also not to forget the car i like which is the corvette z06 gets mid 10's STOCK ENGINE!!!!the only real people who have jap imports that are older and mature with a suped up civic etc is who i respect, not some dumbass punk who is in his teen years owning some kinda jap import thinking they can beat a suped up v8 engine should go to hell and stop waisting your money or should i say your parents money.this the ONLY REASON WHY I RELLY HATE RICERS!!!!, hope you guys are proud of your selves!!.|
|Can someone actually send a good comment that will tell if ricers are faster then v8's or how v8's are faster then ricers. I want to know all the facts now im getting sick of this god forsaken website!!!!!!!!!..
(Editor's note: I've said it before and I'll say it again. It's not about import vs. domestic. It's not about 4 cylinder vs. 8 cylinder. It's not about who's faster. Never was. And if you don't get what it's about by now, you never will...)
|I know a lot of people love domestics and a lot of people love exotic/euros and a lot of people love imports. Cars are cars you have to love all of them. Now about the few people that decide to something stupid like place half assed body kits on their domestics or putting wings bigger than a 747's tail on their 20 year old import these guys gotta go to school to get some style because these cars are a disgrace to all cars everywhere. I dont consider these people car enthuaist because they lack patience and understanding of their cars. Now to the next important topic speed if a guy has a Mustang GT modified that can run over 425 hp sure he can beat a slightly modified Prelude or Tiburon, but first you bought your car with more than half of your current horsepower its a cookie cutter sports car its made to be fast and anybody can buy that car, your grandma, your pastor or preist, your high school counselor your 75 year old neighbor in short there isn't really special about it. Unless you put some real time into the entire car and make it one of a kind if expect to see some Paris Hilton wanna be driving an automatic 'pink' GT right next yours also. You could have a thousand horses but if you don't TUNE it right it can be slower than a tricked out WRX STi plus weight is another big factor back to 425 GT if a CRX has a even 2/3 or 3/4 of the horses it will the shit out of it. I love Mustangs that have been done right with people who know what their doing and love what their doing, not some ignorant fool who thinks he owns KITT. Imports are sweet because you customize the hell out of them make them look like something totally different inside and out and make them pretty freaking fast with all teh high tech stuff carbon fiber body pieces electonically adjustable spoilers, computer modules and chips. Its like some sort of scifi fantasy dream car sometimes.Then there are euros, Ive seen every supercar and exotic out there the only one that really floats my boat is the Porsche Carrera GT or the BMW 3M all the rest are for yuppies. If you wanna impress someone then make your own badass custom car so when people see your car people stop and oogle over the car not knowing what the hell it is now thats badass undeniably one of a kind.|
|lol hey my rice burner has a porsche engine. its peppy but no 911. I would like to mention that the faster 4 cyl cars like eagle talon, some the fastest being 8 second cars is impresive. I also love corvettes,mustangs extoic cars. The Issue at hand being this trendy pimp my ride culture. my opinion is performance should out shine the the wheels. lets face it different cars perform different each unuiqe. some cars are 1/4 mile cars some are rally some both. keep in mind vtec honda not the only rice burner out there aswell. The vtec si civic is pretty fast car|
|No matter what u import drivers think, MUSTANGS were built for power and speed when modified will easily burn out all those shitty v-tec and what not, i dont know why u guys even bother arguing about this.
(Editor's note: So were RX-7s, so were Supras, so were/are Porsches, etc. etc...What's your point?)
|I'll sum this up:
Displacement vs. Technology
|Alright i will say this once again. Any car can be tuned to be an actual race car. As long as you do it the right way. There's plenty of Civic's the race on the track. There's actually one kind of track where a front wheel drive or all wheel drive is praised. That's a rally track. There's plenty of Honda civics out there that smoke the mighty of almighty V8's. There's a lot of "tiny" motors beat bigger motors. The reason being they're tiny for a reason. And for the guy who said it's not hard to beat 2door or 4door civics? I hope you're talking about stock civics. Because i know Civics running below 9's in quartermile times. And of course you have the average joe kid who knows nothing really about a car. I respect people who make all show no go cars. Actually the people that make them actually look really show off, where you can tell they put a LOT of money into it. They don't even race, or want to race. It's just show car competition, just like their's car audio competition, drift competion, and race competition. There's all kinds of competition for cars nowadays, and it's about time everyone got with the 21st Century and respect each and everyone one of these. For they all take hard work to achieve. Now for the kids who run around with ragged out cars, with a bodykit duct taped onto their car? Please stop what you're doing to that poor car. The main point is you can't say you can't tune a "econo civic" to be fast. Because the fact is you can, it's be done, and it's possible. The best part is, it's all paid in increments, without making a big dent in your wallet. If you ask me, Civics have so much potential when they're modded, because they come detuned stock. I think performance can be included in the same sentence as Civic.
(Editor's Note: I don't think that anyone who actually knows what they are doing...including me...will say that you can't make a Civic or any other economy car into a performance oriented car. You can do anything with MONEY, time and a welder. But slapping on a fart can and a 6 foot high wing DOES not a performance car make. I have great respect for people driving around 300 WHP Hondas, because they ACTUALLY KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING and are generally NOT the least bit interested in rice.)
|There will always be hondas and they will always be one around that will beat you, period.
(Editor's note: You just don't get it. Nothing against Hondas. They are great cars, and in fact I own one. It's about what people do to them, and their attitude towards what they don't understand.)
|yeah this website is kind of stupid because, it talks about how ricers are better then V6's or higher, or V6's are better then ricers, but the thing is it depends on the driver not the car, I like honda civics and all, they look alright but all you people out there who like to put corny huge wing spoiler kind of shit on a honda civic has no commensense and is just plain stupid, and all you V8 lovers out their who complain to this shit just ignore them, their just stupid ignorent teens who is trying to prove a point that they can rape or ripp up V8's. my favorite car is the SUBARU STI IMPREZA which is an alright car allwheel drive, not fast ,not slow just right regular V6 engine. I do hate ricers, not the car, but the idiot who dressed up the car, thats who i hate.|
|A honda is a cool car, but you are seriously in need of counselling if you put $10 000 in a car that doesn't even cost that much! (Im talking about a Honda Civic. I have nothing against the car, it is just the most popular car to fall prey to the evil ricers) One more point I'd like to make is that after years of having to look at riced out civics, integras, miatas, (yup I even saw a Hundai once) I have come to realise that the stock bodykit was made to look MUCH better (on that car) than at least 90% of other custom kits. The last thing is, what do you guys recommend I do with my life, since Im obsessed with: cars, anime/manga, and drawing? Cause Im seriously lost here. I dont have the slightest idea what I should do for a living once I finally get out of Highschool, and complete a Colledge/University.|
|1.1 litres? you fucking idiot.
10A, 12A, 13B, 20B
The difference between 10A and 12A is that the rotor housing is 10mm wider. Likewise for 12A to 13B it's 10mm wider. Likewise from 13b to 20b you have one more rotor.
(Editor's note: Not sure what you're trying to say here, but the displacement of the 10A is 982CC, the displacement of the 12A is 1146CC...or 1.1 litres...and the displacement of the 13B is 1308CC.)
|It doesn't matter what you drive as long as you got your dream ride. I give props to whoever puts time, sweat, and lots of scrill bones into their car even if it looks stupid to you. Aaron Cake the first turbocharged engine was produced in america 43 years ago in 62 Buick and the 62 chevy Corvair both all-aluminum block and heads. Thats innovation. I will bow to any fast car whatever company its made by. I hope someone can keep up w/ my custom ordered small block crank withs its big block stroke I've put in my 436 stroker pushing 1400 horse with no nitrous, blower, or turbo. My motor sits right behind me where my stock back seat should be. Its a 65 corvair with the mid- engine set up. Weight distribution is about 48 front 52 rear. Different strokes for different folks- sounds dumb, its true. If all the car companies in the world joined forces I would be happy cause prices for all of them would drop. sounds good. enjoy your ride while you can and People should start showing respect to all types of cars because now matter how fast you are there's someone out there faster. Last, Heavychevy is a dumbass because he said his 92 IROC blah blah, the Iroc Z was last produced in 1990, 2 years before his pile of trash. PEACE TO ALL WHO LIVE TO DRIVE FAST CARS!
(Editor's note: Actually, according to http://freespace.virgin.net/c.coleman/turbhist.htm, The first exhaust-driven supercharger was developed by Dr. Alfred J. Buchi of Switzerland between 1909 and 1912.)
|You know the show that this thread was originally for? Is that show still on? I would like to judge it for myself. I have seen a similar show with girls showing their assets & cars off. The show seemed kind of off beat. Though the ricers there were pretty cool. Still, I wouldn't buy one and spend 10 grand on it right off the bat. I'd rather buy stock and keep it stock. Well, mostly. That's just me.
(Editor's note: Thankfully, the show has been off the air for about 1.5 years.)
|Ok, Maybe this is totally off the wall, and I am sure that it is, but I have a 92' saturn that is decked out with just about everything that I want, with the exception on the exterior, besides a graphic that all i have done so far. Anywayz, I am in search of a computer contoller for my car, something that reads stats. for me as well as allowing me to adjust the rev. limiter and what not.... As far as I know there is not one of these avalible for the car if anyone has a bit of time to help me check this out, or knows of one off the top of their head your help would be very well, helpful :) Please shoot me an e-mail @ email@example.com... thanx so much <>p>(Editor's note: I don't know why I'm answering this, but there are several aftermarket data acquisition devices that plug into the OBD-II port. Summit Racing has a bunch in stock, and if you search "OBD gauges" or similar you should find them. If you want to actually adjust things, then it's a whole different story...)|
|why cant everybody get along. dont embrace only import or only demestic. enjoy the idea that we all find someway to express ourselves through our cars. let it be me who drives a 91 crx with a B16a motor swap, but i still love looking under the hood of any engine. they all take fuel and the cant all move. enjoy the life of cars not hate the choice of others. so grow up and enjoy them all. later|
|This is to all of those (tranny) am owners up the top of the page, get a life little little dicks! we drive mom's hand downs for the simple fact that were not out there trying to prove anything, we do it for the brilliant culture that comes with it and the fact of knowing that you drive gas guzzlers trying to make up for something your lacking. I'm running a full drag speck ek civic with 470 WHP. So if you think your all that see on the race seen next year. Dumb fucking inbreads!!
Oh yeah, Smokey and the Bandit went out with the civil wars!
(Editor's note: So you're saying that a 470 WHP drag Civic is not a gas guzzler? Whatever....)
|You know, cars and people are like assholes everyone has one. Simple fact is that these imports are a fall of our goverment. You really can't say they are better or cheaper. When you run a 12 off the showroom floor in a 4g hemi or g.m. just by changing the air pressure in the tires and carb tweks, then talk how bad ass your car is. In short american muscle is dead. Too many sellouts to keep it alive ask G.M. they did so. the only real ones out there are the mustangs!
(Editor's note: Again, it is NOT about import vs. domestic. Why can't poeple figure this out?)
|K, but maybe by the time I turn 18 Japs will come up with something to blow me away yet again... You never know... (Ive seen the older versions of the celica and honestly I dont like the look of it... its like speakers, if you like how they look ull grow to like them even if they dont sound as good as others that look like sh*t)|
|I know where ur coming from. I agree that ricers are ppl who go heavy on the visual mods, but dont even know sh*t about performance upgrades. But calling people who drive imports, ricers just shows how much u know. I myself am still 14 (yeah laugh it up...) but I already dream about my driver's licence. Im planning to get a Toyota Celica GTS 2001, because the thing costs $16 000 (Canadian, used), because u gotta understand, that when a kid turns 18, he dont have the cash to buy sh*t like Murcielago, or a 360 Spyder... Especially when his parents dont believe in supporting ur child... Obviously when Im gonna turn 18 Im going to want to drive something more than my dad's 2000 dodge Caravan (Its a good family car, but I cant imagine it going more than 120km/h) but where the hell am I supposed to get half a million, to buy my dream car (Lamborghini Murcielago)? if you know, then feel free to tell me, cause I dont know what I could do short of robbing a bank... so that was my plea for u to stop and think about people who u call ricers...
(ps: Fartcanons are messed up, if I see one on my ride Ima kill myself)
(Editor's note: At least get somethign with RWD and some power. Spend a lot less money on an older 4WD Turbo Celica, and I bet you'll be a lot happier.)
|This is the way I feel: its all about what you can afford. I drive a 98 civic because i bought it cheap, it gets good mileage, and the insurance is cheap as shit. Dont get me wrong, i would love nothing more than a muscle car, ive had wet dreams about 69 Chargers since I was 5, but i cant afford to own one, because i work a shitty job, and my parents could care less about financial support.I also see where most of you come from, i love my civic, and i do put parts into it, because i love to work on cars, and thats what's available to me,but some things i cant stand, half the cars i see are shitting around town with a fucking coffeee can muffler, cheap crap plastic body kit, (usually without a matching paint job) and a 3 foot wing. I did put an aftermarket exhaust system on my car, but i use the silencer for it, so I'm left with a nice deep purr. I think it just comes down to what you're surrounded with, in the 60's, its was nothing but big block beasts, and now, they've been replaced by all the inline-4 asian cars. Just think, give it a few years, and these arguements will probably be breaking out about "my sik shit lectric could spank any fukkin gas crapper"
(Editor's note: Aftermarket exhausts with the "butt plug" installed are generally much more restrictive then the stock exhaust...)
|Okay here we go once again. People who talk all this shit and dont say shit thats even worth hearing. Do you know how many fucking times Ive heard "Theres no replacement for displacement""Fart cannon""Mustangs are gay""Civics are gay""My Mustang could kill your could kill your Civic""Suck my dick""I put over a hundred thousand in a car I got from my mommy that she used as a grocery hauler so I'm a fucking idiot"You know what I think... You people are delusional and have got the mind of three year olds and all say the same shit that the person before you said. Before you speak think about what your saying cause to you it may be cool but to others you sound like morons that some how got a drivers license to drive cars that you wish you had. I wont fucking lie I got a fucking KIA Sephia in the uglyist color in the world gray/purple/and god knows what the fuck else and I dont fucking care yes I wish I had a 69' Camaro that was fixed by Yenko from back in the day but honestly I cant afford it. Im in college to be a mechanic i got a job yeah once again I wont lie Im a dishwasher and work every fucking god damn day and the weekends doubles. I just barly clear 300 every two weeks how the fuck u get 70 thousand and drop it in a fucking car... Lieing ass bitch fucking poser I would have put a down payment on a house. If you gonna be a dumbass dont put your worthless bullshit here cause no one cares that your daddy bought you a new car and anything you wanted was handed to you for being a dick rider if I were that ignorent Id smoke my fucking self. Try working for the shit you got you might appriate it more. Dont be conformists do your own fucking thing and be happy and dont be stupid. You may now procede to say things to make me laugh and Aaron youve got a great thing going its just that for the most part youv'e got little pricks trying to prove something because they have infint penis desease and there dick could fit in a thimble to use as condom. Once again the crazy Italian has spoken. And still Jersey is where its at go to English Town that is where the real car entusists are. All sorts of different cars all sorts of opinons with only one goal to show there love for their cars and to admire others creations without downing them and acting inmature. Individuality and a whole hell lot of diversity. you got to love it.|
|Here is my philosophy. A Front Wheel Drive car should NEVER be raced, nor modified. If a car is FWD, it has no purpose other than to get the kids to school, or to go shopping, practically anything legal on the road. Getting from A to B. In my opinion, any body modifications to a car other than wheels (for handling) is pointless and moronic. And whoever it was up the top there claiming to have a friend of a friend who's mom's ex-boyfriends sisters dogs previous owners daughters fuckbuddies brothers to have put over $70,000 into a Honda Civic, you can personally tell him that I would like to punch him in the face, take his car keys and sell his car. What fucking moron does that to a FWD ugly piece of shit Civic? If I had the money to buy a Civic, and put 70 grand into it, I'm buying a used Ferrari sunshine. And you people claiming to have $100,000 FWD's that would apparently blow out Ferrari's, Come over to my house, and I bet my mum's ten year old Ford Mondeo would blow it away. And no, it has NOT been modified in any way. When I get my first car, I am looking to get something relatively fast, quite large, rear wheel drive for better torque (OH, YOU STUPID RICERS DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS.), something like a BMW 535i.
If any ricers would like to attempt to call me a dipshit and whatever, personally add me to your MSN, firstname.lastname@example.org.
God day, and I hope your cars blow up.
(Editor's note: I agree that FWD sucks, but I think it's going a little far saying that it should NEVER be raced. I have great fun autocrossing, road racing and drag racing my Honda Insight. I just do it for fun, but it's actually very competitive at autocross.)
|Lol at dumbass ricers. Putting wings on FWD cars, oh my God what complete shitheads. You little kiddies do realize that wings aren't just there for show right? They increase a little thing called downforce, the pressure thats pushing the car onto the road. When a cars power lies in its front tires, and you're pushing on its back tires, guess what happens? Thats right, you lose traction in the front! To the guy that said his friend put 70k into a Civic: First of all, you're friends a shithead, you could have gotten a Vette for that much, and I don't care how much ricer bullshit you put on your Grandma mobile, it won't beat a Corvette. And to the people that said that the kids are "keeping hotrodding alive." No. Hotrodding is when you take a decent car and mod it. This stuff is the equivalent of kids in the 60's "tricking out" Mom's Ford station wagon, it just doesn't work. Unless you totally replace the engine with some behemoth, a Civic is going to suck ass. Period.|
|Ricers are not to be confused with actual good imports that can perform, such as Skylines, Wrx's etc. If you have a Skyline, and you don't have stickers on it for companies whose parts you don't have, then I'd show you some respect.|
|Ha- this has to be one of the longest/ funnyest lists on this topic I've ever seen... Being form OZ I gotta say that all the american cars imported down here suck... the Mustang that ford attempted to import in the late '90s was a joke, and can be out handled/ out gunned by our locally made 4 door family cars... granted they pack Gen III 350 Chev motors and 5.4L ford Twin cam V8s pumping out 250- 300 Kw- sorry you guys don't get that motor over there, we build em here ;) Anyways- I drive a 28 year old 323i BMW and it regularly leaves ricers for dead, and get it in the twisty stuff and you wont shake me off your tail in your muscle cars... you guys can buy the German stuff for virtually nuthin over there and there's a whole wealth of aftermarket parts to make 'em fast- and you get actual build quality too, so they won't fall apart..... (just don't rice 'em up- there's plenty of late model BMW 'rice' too!!).... oh... look at my 318i.... gee the m3 body kit makes it go just as fast as a real M3 ;)|
|Air cooled VW.Class,Old school original and still the best 'import tuner'. Kicks major ass with under 200 horses in a light chassis.Iv'e got a glass dunebuggy with a basically stock 1600 cc and it pulls the front wheels up.It's a beast with 70 horse.Not bad for a 80 year old design.You could put $5k and some ingenuity( lost art) into a bug and it would kick MAJOR ass all over the place.Always has.To hell with v-8 american muscle and rice ant farms.Except for jap bikes.That's a whole other story.Harley's?Fat,old ,slow,JUNK! Talk about fart mufflers and all show,no go.|
|im looking for a little help. i dont get taken to seriously being a female but i am in current search for customized tailights for a 1990 toyota celica. any ideas would be wonderful. my hood is from a turbo alltrack it has new exhust and rear body. thanks again!!!!
(Editor's note: By "customized" I assume you mean "altezza". Do yourself a favour...as well as the rest of the world...and stick with the stock lights.)
|U LOSERS THAT HATE ON HONDAS, ARE JEALOUS...... I HAVE AN 2001 ACURA INTEGRA GSR WITH MODS, AND LAMBO DOORS, GIRLS LUV IT AND ITS QUICK... THE FUNNY SHIT IS ITS WORTH MORE THAN MOST OF THE WORTHLESS AMERICAN CRAP CARS OUT THERE... THE REASON WHY WERE (IMPORTS) TAKING OVER IS BECAUSE UR CARS ARE ALWAYS BREAKING DOWN EVERY 3RD RUN U DO AT THE TRACK.... DO THE RESEARCH THE 10 G'S U PUT INTO A MUSTANG ENGINE U GOTTA REBUILD DA DAMN THING ITS FUNNY HOW U LOSERS HAVE ON CARS THAT ARE RELIABLE AND THAT ARE TAKING OVER.....LOL!!!!! SEE U ON THE HIWAY LOSERS AND WE'LL SEE WATS WAT......MY CAR HAS BEEN TO 245 NO PROBLEM......
(Editor's note: You mean 245 inches per second, right? Also, you found this page searching MSN for "any+cheap+way+to+increase+horse+power+on+2001+integra+gsr", so I guess you won't be putting "10Gs" into anything really...)
|first of all let me say that i drive a civic and i also drive a mustang. my civic is a nice daily driver for getting back and forth to work good on gas and so on. ricers have given themselves a bad name.. lets just say YOU ARE NOT GOING TO GET ANY RESPECT DRIVING A CIVIC , except from some 16 year old with a backwards hat on. when im out driving the mustang i get waves from all kinds of people and it really makes my day when i get waves from little kids beacause it is so damn loud. i brought it that way. its really almost too loud for me. if i drive it more than 20 miles my ears are ringing when i get home. but anyway in the mustang people dont cut me off or tailgate or try to blow by me i dont even get reved on by anyone, but unfortunately all of that happens in the civic (got owned by a soccer mom in an excursion ,s ure, smoked by a fed-ex truck,you bet) compared to the stang the civic is a sorry ass go-kart. and to that fucking dip shit up top that said a civic can out handle a mustang, if your dick can reach your asshole feel free to go fuck yourself. most of the ricers have never ridden in a muscle car so take pity on them|
|What Happend? I used to like listening to peoples dumbass comments about cars that either one they dont know about or two arent worth shit. Lets get some real people who know what the hell they are talking about. And dont get all contraversal about the name cause you know it's quite funny so dont be a bitch, you can laugh. No ones going ta hurt ya...
(Editor's note: The name is great...I've got some candy in my van, kiddies...)
I do not hate on rice i hate on mid 90's honda civics , integras , and CRX's with a big wing causing rear downforce on a fwd car , a loud ass mufler they bought at canadian tire that causes nothing but noise pollution and a set of "dope rims" having those 3 mods does not make you a tuner it makes u a dumb ass kid with no brains and to much money with an ugly ass car that makes shitty noise and does not go fast. I dont mind imports at all as long as its fast , hell any car thats fast is good in my opinion... but fuck all that shit nothing sounds as nice as a big fucking 440 magnum or a 454 BB fuck all that 4 banger shit (Theres no replacement for displacement)
(Editor's note: Duh, what do you think rice is? "mid 90's honda civics , integras , and CRX's with a big wing causing rear downforce on a fwd car , a loud ass mufler they bought at canadian tire that causes nothing but noise pollution and a set of dope rims" IS exactly what rice represents.)
|i have a 83 porcshe 944, bring it on, you wish you knew what i got
(Editor's note: While I do like the look of the older Porsches compared to the new "egg mobiles", as I recall the 944 is the most generic of all Porsches. According to Google, they made all of 150HP and weighed 2675 LBs. Hardly impressive, even by the standards of the day.)
|I'm old school. I don't care if its domestic or import. It simply must be quick. I run a 72 Vega. 554 CID (that's 9.1L for you kids) blown & injected churning out over 1K hp. It runs low 8s street legal (lower illegal) at over 175mph. When you kids get below 9 seconds, then you can start to talk. Until then, shut and build quicker cars.
(Editor's notes: There's more to life then the drag strip. Some us actually like to turn and stop as well as go straight...)
|I got a 98 Plymouth Neon its got a pacesetter catback exhaust, cai, mopar ecu, and a stage 2 hahn racecraft turbo kit with fmic....I also have a bodykit, rims, carbon fiber hood...all these v-6's and ricers out there just think i'm a push over, nothing but a dressed up neon....i loooooove to see the look on their face when a little fucking NEON blows right by them......hahaha!!!!|
|all i have to say is go the imports, Nissan pular GTiR 13.7 stock.|
|I want to hear more about what yall have to say about rx7s. all of my freinds talk crap about my rx7 just b/c i need a clutch kit and they call me a ricer. my car is flat black W/ enkie RS-E rims phatom drag ridals and yokohamas on the front my car is all go no sho except for under the hood polishe umi . ihave a bunch of mods too many i dont want to type b/c is 3 in the morning and tired as hell but any way call me wat u want i dont concider my self as a ricer.|
|whats the deal with it always being honda? what about nissan,, like the spec-v or the skyline. i got a 02 sentra spec-v and love it, i dont drive around thinkin im the bomb cause i dont think my car is the fastest thing on the road, ive beat some hondas and stangs ans some hondas and stangs have beatinme, i really dont care if i get beat,its all fun to me if its win or loose. only got a couple mods so far
dc sports headers 4-2-1 offroad
thermal cat back minus the cat
stillen performance chip
next im doin the cam and havein the heads ported
(Editor's note: It's just easier to say Honda since 80% of these ricers are driving Civics...)
|this is what i think of Ricers POOOOOOOOOOP|
|ok its funny when a car with half the engine can kick the shit outta yours....i drive a 95 talon tsi awd.....very few mods...upd, catback, cai fmic pipes boost contoler yeah but i cant kill mustangs and camaros and i just laugh i have half the moater they do, my 4g63t will kill any low compression v-6 fuckin american moron...your damn car cant handle worth shit...thats y ppl race honds...ever hear or autocross? that takes a lot more skill then driving in a 1/4mile
(Editor's note: Well, at least he mentioned AutoX. But was oddly fixated on compression ratios...)
|Lots of flak in here about 'Stangs, Camaroes, and Hondas. Funny how no mention is made of Cadillac. My 2001 STS, bone stock, runs in the upper quarter with the fastest stock automobiles on the planet. There are many, many cars out there that are much faster than the STS, but I have yet to line up against a riced-out Civic, even equipped with NOS, turbo, or both that I couldn't put far in my rear-view with no trouble at all. The 32- valve DOHC Northstar engin is a force to be reckoned with. There is a lot of plastic on this car, And for $53,000 I am quite disappointed in that, but if I want to feel better all I have to do is let some moron in a 3000 GTS, or a Trans Am, or a Honda, or even some base-level Corvettes see my tail lights.|
|Im not reading all this shit, fuck that instead im just gonan reply. I happen to like the look of some ricers. However i cannot stand it when they sit around talking about there cars and all these mods.
One night i was up at Krispy Kreme(local night spot for racing). This guy is leaned up against my 1992 s10 talking shit about his car. Just so you know this truck is stock with a 4.3l v6. So finally i look over im like hey man you wanna race. He goes uhh well i dunno i mean umm im waiting on somebody. Im like come on man stock truck vs ur car. Now ofcourse he has all these lil nosx stickers and AEM and all kinds of other shit stickers and not to mention the "fart" muffler. I was actually up there waiting for my gf to get off work(she works there free doughnuts for me HELLS YEA!) & hangin out with 2 of my freinds. So i get in my truck ask my freind david to get in with me while the guy in his lil 4 door whatever it was has everyone get out for less weight. We pull out onto the road and he counts it off. Now my truck is an automatic wich blows but i through it into first anyways bcus it actually does help. By the time i through the shift column up into drive ive already put such a big ass distance between us its ridiculous, So instead of being a sport i see the guy slam on breaks and turn into a nearby parking lot. The whole time im thinking what a fucking loser, all his freinds are standing on the street watchign him get his ass eaten by an old stock pos s10. Rust spots sagging headliner cracked dash tore up bench seat and a fucked up driers side window. This is where i began to wonder, what good does all that shit do to their car?
(Editor's notes: Street racing...Yeah, you're a winner. Makes you no better then the ricers...Nice way to endanger everyone else's lives due to your stupidity...)
|Rofl, dude wtf kind of name is aaron cake, must be a fat ass lamer that sits on his ass on his comp all day drooling by looking at the cars he want. Dude aaron, stfu ok? I saw couple of the gay ass quote um, genius i own a mazda man stfu. Come up a better quote instead of searching the net for quotes to use faggot.
(Editor's note: Included because it's just so funny...Not really sure if it makes any sense though...I think it's supposed to be an insult?)
|Well i dont understand all this "I hate imports or i hate domestics" or i hate rice or w/e. Everyone has their own opinion and their own style not everyone likes the same thing i mean yeah if you buy a mustang or camaro it will be fast right away but not everyone has that kinda money right away and plus i mean if you buy a "ricer" and put the extra money that u would have paid for a muscle car or w/e then you have sumthing customized that sets you aside from everyone else and for domestic not being as reliable true in some cases but i bet that "SOME" imports are just as unreliable i drive a 95 probe wit 396,000 miles on it and its only a 2.0L and i have done some mods to it but it still is running good no performance mods yet but i work at KFC its not like i have all kinds of money to go spend i have to do sumthing everytime i get a paycheck. I also have a 86 mustang gt in my garage thats mine that me and my dad are building for the track so im not partial either way i just think its stupid how everyone is i hate this or i hate that of course a stock mustang will prolly beat a stock civic they were made for 2 diff things and i bet there was a big dif in price. Im not even too sure if im going to put any performance mods on my car i am all about making it a show car i dont brag that it can beat all these people because im pretty sure it wont although it can keep up with other ppl as long as i shift at the right time. The whole thing is everyone has their own preference so why go bashing on sumone just because they dont have the same opinion as you or sumthing or go stereo typing every person with a so called ricer. i like the ricer "LOOK" so to each his own|
|Uh....steebie? bro? THE OPEL IS ACTUALLY A FREAGIN GM MADE AND OWNED CAR COMPANY!|
|im from australia and i haaate rice . whats the definition of rice okay you take an already tasteless and ugly little car and you add as much racy and shiny looking shit as you can to the car you have the obligatory chrome wheels then you get the big cannon exhaust which actually reduces power and adds extra weight then you get a bodykit and if youre super cool you have the most disgusting lairy and ugly paint job money can buy and after that come many other shiny bits that is rice now please feel free to add to the list now if youre a rice boy just read this and accept the truth youre car is just like a shiny penis extension now i have the utmost respect for any sports car that is well engineered and has decent performance not the tasteless ricey crap so please remove your visual pollution off the road|
|Why do you ricers think that when he hate on your riced out ride, we are all into muscle car era stuff? I have a supra and a 98 twin turbo supra, and im not hating on imports, no import v. domestic bullshit here, rice can be domestic or import, so shut the fuck up with the import v. domestic shit cuz it aint about that, its about dumb fucking morons trying to make an economy car fast when they can get all that money, buy a used, stock, fast, sports car, pour in all that money in the engine and be much more faster than a civic.|
|Hmmmmmm.....through all this arguing between Ricers, Muscle car junkies, and those who can fill canyons with piles of bullshit has anyone considered the German car market. I feel that every car has it's place and nobody has taken the time to discuss German made vehicles such as Audi, BMW, Volkswagen, Mercedes-Benz, and even Opel. Germans practically invented the automobile with one of the first cars being a Benz. Not to mention the great development of the Volkswagen Beatle. If someone wants to spend their entire life savings adding a massive body kit to a honda or buying a massive 12 cylinder engine to drop in a muscle car thats their own business. It's their money and in the meantime a man will be laughing his way to the finish line in a barely modified German sports car. Personally I drive a Subaru Outback and I know the car was not meant for show and certainly not to be raced. There is nothing wrong with someone expressing themselves in their vehicle and boosting their performance. The problem starts when "ricers" feel that an 2 level aluminium wing will create sufficient downforce to give them a 10 second car worthy of Vin Deisel himself. Enjoy your car and how you customize it but don't expect true sports car handling, acceleration, and quality from a 12k honda with 30k in aftermarket parts.|
|lol i own a o4 tsx cl9, o3 si ep3, and o3 e39... i am not a ricer. yes i drive a civic... only with jdm parts. and a turbo charger. Oh and i have HID fog lights that yes... actually work. lol Do you own a Viper? some of us cant afford it. i have about 300whp in my ep, im not braging about it. why cap on japanese cars when they tend to last longer than any kind of car? i know those dam people with body kits and stickers cars look like crap, but hey, thats how they like their car... i know i dont. i know i can smoke a lot of american muscle.. but i dont get cocky... and remember... the best japanese cars arent allowed in america ;]|
|Ok, Now look whats all this shit about the only street racers and or ricers all drive either civics stangs maros or z06's when did this happen through this whole damn thing all ive read is cvivc mustang camaro what ever what happened to al little company named DODGE hello is ever one forgetting that there is a vehicle called the dodge viper personally i think that if you filled a civic with what ever or integra and tryed to.... say quarter mile a viper you would get lost in the smoke and burning rubber from the viper unless your civic had fog lights that WORKED i dont get it why do people add things to there car and hook them up and if like a wire or connection is disconnected they just say fuck it now im not a ricer or a what ever you call the opposite i dont even own a car my self (but that doesnt mean i dont know anything) but anyway some "ricers" ive seen i have to admit look nice in fact they could all look nice if they did there extior propperly and not run into shit and also if you own like a 92 civic integra w.e get the RUST repaired be fore you get that $500 custom paint job and body kit if theres two domestics i like its gotta be the viper and vette as for imports my favs would have to be the 3000gt jetta and the golf looks kinda like a civic thank god it isnt ha ha have a good one|
|First of all, I have to say that anything made outside of Japan is a
piece of shit.I have a '00 Civic si with a turbo and nitrous with only
3gs invested in, and I embarass mustangs,camaros,trans am,
and corvettes on a daily bases.It's actually pathetic to see them
try to keep up.My civic is a complete sleeper.I've tried racing
muscle car guys for pink slips,but these days people rather talk
big than line their cars up.Muscle cars,HAHAHAHA,I'm not
(Editor's note: And what happens when your bottle empties out...uh huh, I thought so...)
|Wow, you guys should really check out http://www.FightRice.com|
|Wow uumm im sorry but not everyone who puts money into a lil ricer is a stuck up lil bitch who thinks they no everything about nothing but if ne one decides they want to step into the big league they can talk to me about pure horsepower not vtec bs i have a 1988 mazda rx 7 with a ford 302 in it and a 1991 s10 lowered done up with a 350, 30 over ford possy 9,so not all lil ricers r P.O.S good for nothing shit cars|
|I own a 2003 hyundai tib. I am more of a half and half looks and performance. After I bought my tib, lol believe it or not..i was turning my car too ricey by adding in "Super Street stickers" and adding red neon lights and all that crap. One day I stopped by the shop ad noticed my friend Kenny laughing at something. Told me "Omg, take those gay stickers off ur car is too ricey". That day I was so ashamed on what I did to my car. Anways that was like 2 years ago. I changed my car a whole lot now. Performance, added injen cold air intake, greddy dual exhaust, ecu chip, but next I am planning on getting a supercharger for my car. Other accessories I did was clear cornering the headlights, fog lights, lowering it, tinted windows, Tuscani emblems, and got a higher spoiler. I' am pretty much satisfied with my car.|
|you guys all talk alot of shit about imports!!! i mean come on find a real import!!!! like a 300zx, supra. anything!!! ive seen a civic run 10's and ive seen other domest cars run 10's too! come on quit hammering on all of these lowest model imports!!! i'll race any v6 camaro or mustang out there with my GRANDMA'S car!! i mean they make a upper grade imports too just like your z28 camaros and junk!! u cant expect a base model civic to keep up wiht the highest grade camaro or mustang they make! come on fight fire with fire!! my buddy has a 300zx twin turbo and it'll smoke a camaro or mustang!! hell i have an integra gsr and its just barely has an mods and i've taken by buddies mustang gt!! but jesus i just plain love cars in general!!!! its just a different thing between imports and domestic cars!!! its what ever u want!!! by the way i have owned an 82 trans am and now own a 96 intgra gsr so i love both of them! but i'd have to admit there are more things alot funnier and more interesting about imports!!|
|i read todds first comment 70 g into those cars huh well i got 20 in my 67 camaro and i run 9.56 1/4 mile on pump gass and it takes me to work everyday great to see how u spend ur money|
|ok. to all those people talking shit about imports. do you even know the difference between a tuner and ricer. A tuner is someone who is all go and no show, a ricer is all show and no go. i hate ricers but to all those people who have mustangs and camaros or any other domestic you all can suck me because v8's are for pussy's who cant fix up 4 cylinders to go fast.|
|I have respect for some cars like camaros i have a 68 nova with a 396 but i also a 240sx with sr20det stock boost stock everything andmy nissan is hiting low 14's thats what most stangs run. I hate mustangs and the people who have them if its a classic or late 80's model ok but even at that i can sill beat some of you fuckers out there who think your big shit. for all you v8's my car has more pull then you stupid stangs. Fuck Ford. who ever drives a ford is fuckin retarded.|
|mom? my ears are burning?|
|I've got something for you!! I have a Mustang GT and If you beat me there will be a Z28 waiting for ya at the finish line.!!!!!|
|People don't race mustangs? Said by one who's never seen a twin turbo cobra =/|
|Just get over yourselves you stupid mfs times are changing gramps. American cars are bouring, theres only a select few that are sports cars and they cost to fucking much. Dont rag on people how cant aford them so they go and get a cheap import and over time put money into it and oneday smoke you domestic mother fuckers. You are just jelous that a 4 cylinder with a cam can spank your asses|
|ricerboy, you've obviously never seen a real muscle car if you think for half a second that without NOS there is any possible way that your import is going to beat a TRUE muscle car. You may want to go and check a couple of MOPAR drags and see what real muscle cars can do. Don't get me wrong some of the imports are really fast but not when compared to a muscle
(Editor's note: Again, some of us like to turn and stop as well...)
|ANY DOMESTIC MF WANNA RACE ME?????????
THINK YOU CAN HANDLE MY 350Z WITH TURBO????
I have 350z with turbo , stage 4 clutch.
BRING ON FUCKIN STANG OR CAMARO
I'LL SHOW YOU AMERICAN KIDS WHAT TRUE IMPORT CAR IS!!!
I wish there was lots of "SKYLINE" so skyline can burn the fuck outta domestic cars.
I still own you all with my Z
(Editor's note: Sigh...Another one who just doesn't get it. Seriously people, you're all stupid.)
|Quite frankly, all of you can go fuck yourselves. Mustang and the camaro are the ugliest pieces of shit i have ever laid my eyes on. all you american rednecks care about is owning the biggest gas guzzling truck and fucking your sisters. American cars are the worst ever made. Muscle cars are the worst. They sound like my dad farting and smell like it too. And no one has ever drag raced with a FUCKING MUSTANG! whoever posted that needs to have his balls strung up. So fuck F.O.R.D. (Fix Or Repair Daily, First On Recall Day, etc.) Chevy, Hummer, and all those other shits who are guzzling gas and driving the fucking price even higher
(Editor's note: And another eloquent entry from someone without a clue...)
|Honestly all you domestic dick heads need to get a life and quit trying to convert ppl over to your side... We drive what we do because we can afford them and bc theyre actually reliable... GM is s*it honestly... my friends dad owns an 04 envoy that has had to go back to the dealer 13 times since he bought it bc s*it breaks and falls off of it all the time... and when was the last time you drove a mustang that had an (STOCK)interior that didnt squeak and feel like it was going to fall apart..... I have respect for muscle cars if the owners arent dickheads because they are fast(altho its sad that our four banger rice mobiles can make the same power with half the engine)... I drive a 92 240sx(bought for $2000 2 yrs ago in near new cond w/89000 mi) that still has the ka24de in it and its making roughly 325-350 whp with just under $6k in mods to the engine.... MOD LIST as of now: Boost Designs built ka shortblock w BD intake manifold Boost designs t3/t4 turbo kit (@8psi pump, 14psi race) Boost designs front mount intercooler kit PDM racing stageII turbo cams Apex'i 3" N1 catback exhaust RC engineering 550cc injectors ?BRAND? used top feed fuel rail off ebay Megasquirt engine management ACT 6 puck race clutch Other small supporting mods but nothing major I still get ~20 mpg when im not ragging on it to hard... this car has destroyed several z06 vettes and im hoping to get to the track soon for some real numbers... if you can find me an american car for 8000 in great cond that will destroy a z06 then ill say no more.... till then u can rip on all the bodykits and shit u want but remember there are a few ricers that will embarass you severely out there|
|LOL all you old patriotic bastards are full of yourselfs. you have to realize that the import seen is in. and yes the good old american muslce car had its days but now there done. honda mitsubishi toyota subaru ect are every where illegal street races are every where where are your mustangs and comaros i dont see you out on the streets with a big stack off cash wanting to race us so when you come out on the streets ill then give you some respect.
(Editor's note: I think it's worth mentioning that this user came here via a Google search for "what+do+i+need+to+do+to+my+eagle+talon+esi+to+get+it+turbocharged")
|YOU GUYS ARE FUCKIN NONSENSE. YOU AMERICAN FUCKERS ARE COMPARING CIVIC VS MUSTANG, CAMARO ??WTF OF COURSE MUSTANG, CAMARO WILL WIN. IF YOU WANNNA COMPARE CIVIC THEN THERE IS CAVALIER, COBALT, FOCUS. IF YOU WANNA COMPARE MUSTANG, CAMARO THEN THERE IS S2000, 350Z, G35 6 SPEEDD ALSO AMERICAN JUST DOESNT LAST SHIT!! THATS TRUE THAT YOU ALL AMERICAN FUCKERS SHOULD ADMIT!|
|i like ricers but i live in a town were raceing is a big thing so i wouuld prefere a muscle car over any ricer with a fart cannon and a body kit + wing so ricers can talk about trhis and that but when r u gonna put your car were your mouth is and race a muscle car and then well see who rules supreme so all you ricers diss american cars and laph it up but like i said put your car were your mouth is and step up and race!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! im out|
|richard marsh u say ricers are the fastest thing in the world were have u bin it seems like in 2 fast 2 furius they said them selves those muscle cars would wip them so i dont now were u were maybe u had your head stuck up your ass|
|With an attitude like that, we could. But when people bring their "my car > your car" attitude to the table, it's going to end badly. "Import" doesn't mean "Rice". They're two completely different things. Rice is all bark and no bite (and an obnoxious bark to boot). It's making a car look high performance, without actually making it high performance. You can certainly rice out a domestic car. A well tuned R34 is in no way rice, nor is a well tuned civic (nobody's calling a mustang rice, so that comparasin is not needed). How fast and well performing a car is basically means how expensive it is. Any car can beat any car if enough money is put into it. The skill of the mechanic is obviouslly a close second factor, but a junkyard setup can only go so far. And to the guy who said all American hot-rods are unappealing and ugly: the pendulum swings both ways, sir.. http://funroll-loops.org/van.jpg (only pic I could find on such short notice) Damn this thread is old. Blame google.|
|This whole thread goes full circle. Everyone reading this post knows some guy that is driving a 4-cyl. Stang and we all know a 16 year old momma's boy driving a riced out honda civic and they both think they are the shit. We all hate them because they are obviously mentally retarded but they think they are cool. Bottom line, dumb as they are, They think They are cool. Back in the day when kids were pulling fenders off dad's old V8 Ford plenty of people were bashing them. Bullitt was the collest thing ever to my dad who now so many years later just baught a '78 Stang V8 just to have in the garage for Weekends. Why cuz he thinks he's cool. The Fast and the Furios was the coolest thing ever to me. I bought a '93 civic. Why cuz I think I'm cool. Dad's '78 Fast Back and my '93 vtec are almost equal off the line. He has a stock old school V8 and I have a SOHC 1.6. We are both cool. Bottom line. He wins his shows I win mine. We both time in high 13s. We both love our cars. He has to explain to his buddy's at work why I like my little import and I have to explain to my friends why he likes his gas burning valve pusher. Full circle. Bottom line. We are all cool. You wanna put moose antlers on your Miata go right ahead. You wanna put heavy ass '18s on you Jetta, feel free. You wanna chrome everything under the hood of your Cutlass, your money. We all love cars. Can't we all just get along?|
|whats easier to drive manual
with the right shit on what looks better?
what would you rather go on road trip in
what do girls like?
what i thought bitches usually i dont bitch out bc i like chevorlet and shit but when yall b itches lay smack on me its bs ur jsut mad bc ur dad handed down you a old muscle car and its all u cant afford so stfu
(Editor's note: Who the hell cares? Both those cars suck and I wouldn't be caught dead in one...Also, for the love of god, learn to spell and compose your thoughts in a way that people can actually understand...)
|I agree with the people that say that economy cars are different. For example, the camaro's and pretty much anything are muscle cars. These have a low growl that sounds nice :P An S2000, opel speedster, etc. are sports cars. These typically have 4-6 cyl engines, and accelerate and corner nicely. Economy cars are like a Focus, Aveo, or civic. These are built to last. There is also sedans which tend to weigh alot. Motorbikes are one thing that noone can rice, thankfully. I think that it is perfectly okay to put a body kit on. As long as you dont consider it to increase performance, and you know it will be worse for your car, go right ahead!|
|Any ricers who said that they can keep up with any camaros, mustangs, etc... are retarded. Outlaw mustang series drag cars run low 6's. There is no way in hell, no matter what you did to your car, that you could touch that. I know it is a dragged out car but still. You cannot keep up with a modified V8.
But I don't hate ricers, its just dumb to say that they could keep up with a car like that. They can be nice cars, and usually are, just not race cars though.
Those who have said that people can't afford a vette, camaro mustang, etc, so they supe up civics is a dumbass as well. You can get mustangs for at least $3,000 easy. Then do the same mods and get better results. Don't use that excuse for your desire to have that type of car. Be proud of it if you like it.
(Editor's note: Yet another useless blanket statement...I don't have time to look it up, but there are plenty of rotary cars in the 6 second range...)
|Fukin hell i love my rice leave it alone they are the fastest things in the world|
|I hate it when people say that Any Honda could be faster than any other car....my Supra in my driveway says differently with its 9sec. qrt mile...
(Editor's note: ANY car can be faster then ANY OTHER car. Just depends on what's done...)
|First of all, hate 'Hi Rev Tuners'. Not going to be insulting, by saying those guys don't know what they're talking about, but I have my suspicions. Obviously, the show is dumbed down for the general public. Which is a shame, but what can you do? As for 'ricers' vs domestics, I really don't understand the debate. If you want to say 'ricer' vs showcars, I guess I could see that. But how come guys can take musclecars, or vitage domestics and make trailer queens out of them and they get respect, but the kid that puts a body kit and subs and 20's on his Civic gets no love? isn't it the same thing? I'm a mechanic, and I know several customers who have hot rods, or vintages that look awesome, but have stock engines under the hood. Some of them don't even have any engine detail work done. Are these guys 'gay' just because they didn't drop a low 6's engine under the hood? Now if you want to discuss imports vs domestics, again, it's a different story. There is no replacement for displacement. It's just a simple fact of life. But it is true that a lot of younger car enthusiasts cannot afford a Mustang or a Camaro, much less a Corvette or a Viper. But they can afford a Civic or other import. It's also true that while the domestics have sat on their laurels for how many years, the imports have made many technological advances. That's why a civic, for example, with under two liters of displacement can be built up to take on a domestic with more than twice it's displacement. Why can't you all respect the time, and effort that these kids put into their cars? Sure, if you pump the same kind of money into a pushrod motor, you still end up smoking a four banger. But a lot of domestic owners don't. They drive them off the lot and play right out of the box. Again, they rest on their laurels. And every so often, they get caught out by a kid running an import? BTW I drive an 88 rx7. Bone stock. 1.3L and I've caught a lot of domestics by surprise. A lot of imports too. And I have gotten my @$$ handed to me on more than one occasion. But wait til I start dropping money into it. Drive it like you stole it guys...whatever it is.|
|you people are all shit heads, the whole point behind tuners is that someone can't get ahold of a Z28, stang, or vette. They start off with a cheap car with cheap mods that they add one by one. Its a way or expressing yourself without spending a shitload to fix up a camaro or some shit like that a kid can afford... you need something to identify yourself instead of picking on others because they don't have the cash for insurance or the cost of the car... fuck, i'm gonna go eat|
|to SLayerwtihafc3s: 100g's to pull 10s? bull, give me a Civic Si, and 10g's, and ill be pulling high 10's, why? because unlike most of the tuner subculture today, i actually know how to tweak cars to make them run how i want to...and you drive an FC? I like you already. and to guys who say 'oh, the R34, Supra TT, 300ZX TT are all awesome imports!' as 'awesome' as they may be they're &*@^SLOW#$!^%AS@#^@#^SHIT$&@$ compared to the MR2. Gaurenteed to beat Skylines, Supras, And Z Cars all day.|
|Isn't America great. Our natural born liberty to freedom of speech. Despite all the criticism and what have you, I enjoy reading all this debat. I'm proud to know that, as Americans, we can all think for ourselves and voice our own opinions freely. I've tried to resist giving my input, but I must give in to the temptation after all this "ricer" bashing I'm reading. I am the proud owner of a 91' Acura Legend with 460K miles on it. I've driven this car many times from Orange County to San Fran. at upwards of 140 mph for nearly a full hour straight. It has yet to fail me. In fact its still running strong. I challenge you to find an American counterpart to match this. Recently I've upgraded this everyday driving Acura Legend for another Acura. I bought the 2003 CL type S for $32K. I've made performance upgrades, added Comptech headers and cat-back exhaust w/ silencer, CT sways, custom aero body kits (Jt evo bumper and modified skyline front), 18" Volk Racing GT-7 Wheels, AEM Cold Air Intake, Tokico Shocks/struts, among other "planned and pending" modifications. No loud mustang, camero, or even vette has yet to surpass my ACURA CL. On occassions I've even given them a few yard lengths only to pass them quitely. American muscle has yet to prove me anything. Hell, if they can't challenge my CL-S, then how can they possibly contest with my personal baby the 2001 NSX. Yes, I have an NSX, but its all stock at the moment. The only upgraded completed thus far on it are Tien Coil-overs, brembo pads and a set of Volk 19" GT-C's. Trust me, its seductive and gets is generous share of wandering eyes. But please spare me the desperate cry for American muscle and their cars. Take it like a man, and just accept that Japanese and German auto makers have out-engineered you in the auto market. Not only are my cars and other japanese cars more efficient and economical, but performance and handling has proven to be also on their favor. Sadly, the dominanting American Auto industry and its product lines are now merely nostalgia. My family has owned American cars. Unfortunately, it has failed us every single time. And don't think that we can't take care of our rides. My cousin was a certified (ranked 8) mechanic for Honda Motors for 6 yrs. He's venturing out to establish his own shop right now. He personally owns legalized Nissan Skyline GT-R and posits that its handling in uncomparable and stellar. He also has a family 2004 Escalade that is already giving him problems. Not to mention that it cost about $85 to fill up the tank in the Escalade her in So. Cal. To all the Ricers, do what you will to your car. Just don't get overly hedonistic to the point where it becomes obnoxious. But, I see nothing different from what kids of today do to their civics as those American hot rods of the past. In my opinion, these old American hot rods are terrible unappealing. Impalas, stangs, whatever,...Man their all so butt-ugly. But sure what do I know...Right? Let me educate you about me....hahhaa...I'm a newly license architect (25yrs) and a graphic artist. People, as in my company, other design offices, past professors, business planners, have consulted in me for marketing schemes and promotion design. I've worked and design custom auto aero body kit fabrications. And let my wise you people up, they do (body kits) have some affect on the maneuvering ability of your ride. No joke. Granted some are just for looks, but ligitimate ones have an effect. I've done some product design and have one competitions, both architectural, product and marketing. I've recieved numerous honorable mentions for my submittals. I know what the market wants. I've studied this long and hard in college and in the real world (despite my infant age some would say). So don't take me for granted. American cars have been on a short leash, and if they don't begin to change their business plan soon... Well you may never see another new variation of your beloved crap of a Mustang, Camero, Impala, Vette... Enough said.|
|there is no reason to argue about what kind of a car a person has. they have what they want and its there opinion. just leave it be. if they're happy with it than its perfectly wonderful isn't it? i have a 1994 volkswagen Jetta 3 with just a 2 liter in it, but enough mods to tear the sh*! out of a 1996 z28, which has an lt1 v8. so, plain and simple my car is the best, wanna race?|
|The last I checked,cream of the crop "Muscle Cars" are going for way more than some dumb redneck would be able to afford in a lifetime.Anyway I think people shouldn`t get bashed because what car they like to mod up.I`m a certified mechanic and I can tell you there are people on both sides that don`t have a clue and it becomes evident the moment they open their mouth.Sure you have the dumb redneck who thinks by putting in a radical cam and 4.56 gears in his car that he`s gonna fly.On the other side you have a kid with a 4cyl import looking for big hp gains with a cold air intake and fart muffler.I Like V8 domestic cars because I grew up with them,love the punchy torque and the sound.Cost is another factor.With $6000 and starting without the car.I made a nice car that ran a 12.67,idles like a kitten,handles great and gets 20+mpg.Again I grew up with domestic V8 cars so I know
what it takes to make a nice combination.I`m pretty sure there are import people who could do the same on the other side.It`s just a matter of what you like.However the younger import guys do give this attitude that i should be ashamed to like domestic cars.I`m a proud American and I like domestic cars,I see no shame in that.Another thing I`ve noticed is that many of the import crowd think that the japanese created every major technological advancement in the automotive industry.I can tell you,they`ve done more following than innovation.An example,the big three all went to electronic ignition in 1975,toyota was still using points into the mid 80`s on many of their cars.So build what you like and what`s going to make you happy and don`t bash people because they don`t share the same love for your ride as you do.After all if "Everybody" drove the same car,woudn`t that get quite boring.
(Editor's note: Since when did the "big three" go electronic ignition in the '70s? I'll remember that next time I replace the dizzy on my parent's '94 Dodge Spirit. Mazda went to a real all electronic system - a precursor to "coil near plug" - in the '86 RX-7...)
|Hey I wouldnt know about the ricer dudes being ignorant or dumb but i certainly know that rednecks are very ignorant and narrow minded, they think that everything American is THE best. I like some muscle cars and I like boats/beaters, and ricers, plus i still like the supercars and rich ass cars. My point is that why does everyone have to argue about pointless things. if you really wanted to you could make any car go 0-60 in 1.? seconds, just as fast as some croch(sp?) rockets. Everything is modify-able in this world today. So really it's not which company is best, or whether imports or domestics are best, but wether the modified is the best. Now I'm pretty sure that if you made the same mods to a V8 as you would to an I-4 that it would be much more powerful, but then you have the downside of gasmilage, unless you were at a pro-race, you wouldn't be able to go anywhere or when you do having to pay shiploads of dollars in gas. Which kinda makes ricers more ideal. but then you have the case of croch(again sp?) rockets, which can get 45 mpg and go 0-60 in like 4 or less seconds. Basically anti-ricer guys look at the lower end tuners, the ones who dont have enough money to make an ACTUAL Fast and the Furious competing cars. Muscle runners, their cars may be fast for mid-century old cars, but when it comes to handling they're actually dangerous. I really don't know what exactly I'm trying to say, but one thing is for sure. Anyone who's arguing this means they have more mouth than intelligence.|
|This is a "Note to the Editor" You seem unaware that in many places when people say "Gay" they mean the same thing as "Tacky or Gaudy" Not Homosexual.
(Editor's note: Noted.)
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|heh, its not like half decent american cars are expensive...4000 canadian for a mid 90s firebird. does anyone here actually know what a HEMI is? half the muscle owners i have met cant tell you, just like most of the ricers cant tell you what NOS is.|
|I have seen Civics with uneven wooden spoilers. I have seen Mustangs with body kits and a spoiler big enough to fit another car on top of. I have even encountered a Ford Econoline Van that tried to race me. All of these are disgusting but as long as the owner is happy what does it matter? You can't change every one's opinion on what car to by; just prove it at the track. As for me I have a 1992 Plymouth Duster with a Mitsubishi made 3.0L V6 (Quarter mile in the High 15s low 16s and a 0-60 time of 7.8 seconds) which is enough to put any 'gangster talking' retarted with a Civic or Neon in his or her place and a 1988 Ford Thunderbird (which is the most unreliable piece of crap I have ever had, but it is fun to drive). As for my prefrence of car, as long as it's fast and doesn't look like 12 year old puke its fine.|
|Just as a quick note about my last entry so you don't think im a hypocrite... I was talking about stock neons (not the SRT4) and stock civics. My car is not really fast but its fast enough for what people drive near where I live.|
|just a quick point... this debate will go on forever. everyone has personel beliefs and these beliefs can and will be different. do you know why there is racism, sexism ect in the world? because people have different opinions, so getting angry doesn't really help does it. now that that's said here's my opinion. newer cars are expensive to modify, and they get great gas mileage stock. actually most of the cars to come out these days were made for the soul purpose of consuming less gas. for example. 10 years ago when americans were complaining about paying over a dollar for a gallon of gasoline. the people in japan were paying nearly 5 dollars for a gallon. naturally japanese car companies "padded" sales by creating more efficient and less costly vehicles. It's a well known fact that americans are size kind of people. for example we here in the united states are known for the second leading cause of preventable death (obesity for those who didn't catch "super size me"). so naturally bigger displacement and more horsepower at the expense of economy is our normal path. (diesal fuel used to be cheap because people were buying the trucks for what they were built for, towing. now everyone buys them because they are BIG.) as far as the look of a car, it's a personel position. one that even if you don't agree with should be respected. a massive wing may look good to someone. but to someone else is hidious. "ones mans trash is another mans treasure" the show in question is a bit immature, but guess what. we, as a society are attracted to large breasts in what is commonly advertised as "beauty". the male hosts are no different. knowledge of a cars operating systems are obsolete to a sleek physique and a busty bra. after all ratings arn't made on quality they are made on how long the viewer stays glued to the that particular channel. "television is the opiate of the masses, based on shock... and sex. it is only because the people can't beleive what they are seeing that keeps them watching television." sorry for the length, but I hope someone, somewhere has learned something by reading this. as a last note I would appriciate any comments. I am working on a paper for my sociology class so if you have anything to add... perhaps a personel perspective about your vehicle, or any other insightful info would be nice. please send to the e-mail listed above.|
|Just wanna say i have a 1999 civic si that runs 12.2 in the quarter mile so I wouldnt down play all hondas...even though most are riced out and gay.|
|Best car to come out the japan was the supra... ( civic... crx...nsx alll Peice of shit... honda peice of shit....)... u want power.. u get a mustang cobra or a supra twin turbo,... u fuckers
(Editor's note: Are you forgetting the FD RX-7?)
|I have no problem with the riced out cars, but I DO have a problem with most of the people driving them. A lot of high school kids think they're hot shit with their Civics and Accords (and now Scions) that they just bought for chump change. Then they make the mistake of pissing me off on the highway with those annoying fart cans blaring and super white headlights constantly flashing in my eyes. After the required fly-by, they "blast" ahead to a stunning 80mph and I just toast them. Hilarious. Aaroncake, it's good to see another FC3S driver out there with some sense in his head. Thanks for not being a complete asshole with that monster at your command. :)|
|In my veiw, jappers are the best thing ever, for saving petrol! jappers suck wen it comes to performance, and im talking REAL performance, not street performance, can ur twin turbed skyline to a 4.8sec quarter mile at 530 km/h? its already no, only a top fuel dragster can pull out those figures, oh, you jap lovers dont know wot that is? usually a fully worked V8 with a huge super charger (not a turbo charger) pushing out about 3000 BHP. but as we go back out on the street, all of your "high performance" jappers are force feed, usaully with a turbo hanging off it, then we see a V8 go as quick as you bitches, and if not, maybe a second slower, and its a completly stock V8, no turb, no super charger,its just natuarally aspirated power. believe it or not, im not a big fan of V8's, own a inline six myself, the engine i wish to own is a V8, i dnt want it because its a V8, i dont want it because its american, i want it because back late 1960s the 426 Hemi was so god dam fast, nascar had to ban it because nothing could beat it, then later on, released in dodge chargers, nothing less but a detuned race engine, where was your japper back then? where was your japper in the horsepower wars? where the fuck was your japper wen electronics didnt exsist? everywhere BUT not being fast, not putting out 600 BHP +, and why would that be, coz nobody liked them, but now its a different storey, "cheak out my body kit, cheak out my mags, cheak out my after market gear knob" ur all pothetic, its the god dam carbon fibre wars now, you all wanna look so good, and be so fast, and have such a plastic car, that your all forgetting ppl have their own god dam opinoins, if you want your japper, have it, if u wanna look good for some chick, buy that skyline she likes, or subaru coz she likes the sound, just all you dumbarses need to remember, most V8's and 6 cylinder cars on the road, are NA, not force feed , coz if they were force feed, youd be shit outta luck beatting it, because your only advantage just got erased. no engine runs the same, the more money you put into one, the faster it will go, ive seen 4 cylinders do 9 sec quater miles, whoopdedoo, ive seen 1800KG fords do that to, with out force feeding it but who really gives a shit wen it comes to your road car, YOUR CAR, if you like it, find it has enuff power, enjoy driving it, why do you care if the guy next to you thinks this, and likes that? it aint you, so y are you bothering? car shows these days suck for me, i like mopar, hemi engines, and alot of old steel (old cars) even old jap cars, some of the bodies look cool as. ive driven twin turbed supra, evos, skylines, v6 holdens, fords, and they have all been good, but for me, id rather sit back in my 1972 chrysler valiant with a 265 hemi engine, with my stereo blaring pink floyd, get millions of smiles and waves from older ppl, and younger dudes looking at it wondering wot the hell it is. if you wanna drive around in your 12 second japper or woteva, you go ahead and do it, its your own opinoin, and every1 has their own opinion.|
|Ricers are cool iv'e seen a ricer R34 skyline absolutly thrash a highly modified 351 V8 powered mustang off at the lights. it thrashed it by so much it's just not funny by the way the R34 skyline didn't have a N20 system on it.|
|Sorry Trip but American Hotrods are here to stay. Yeah sure your little skyline can beat some of these cars off the line, that is because your richy bitch ass has enough money to dump into some cracker jack car like that. So really what im saying is try that car stock against a mustang, camaro, corvette or whatever car with a V8 engine. Its funny sometimes these punk ass kids get these little 4 bangers and dump thousands of dollars to get a mesly 50 or a 100 horse power, maybe more depending on the person or there car. Mean while you take a, lets say camaro or mustang or whatever good ol fashion American Hotrod and put 2 or 3 thousand into it, and you can get a good chunk of hp. This is off this subject but its funny, I was leaving the walmart parking lot here in good old kingman, AZ (if any of you lived here or live here youll know what i mean), But anyways like i was saying i was leaving walmart parking lot and i saw this car, which was a saturn. This car was red, it had i swear to god an exhaust tip that was 12 inches long, sticking out the back, It had blue neon lights all around this thing, no ground effects what so ever, i mean this was hillarious. So im sittin there laughin at this thing. Little did i know, I was goin in the same direction as he was. Well im doin normal speed which on this particular street it 35, and anyways im goin along and all of a this circus of a car slows down to get beside me, Well hes gunnin his engine and speedin and slowin down. Mean while im laughin at him and im still doin 35. well i own a saturn as well nothin fancy especially being all stock. Well he slams on the gas and gets up there a little bit then slows down till i get beside him. So the very instant i get up there i hear him start to gun it again, so just foolin around i droped my car into 3rd and blew his ass away. It was the funniest thing ever. shit i still laugh when i see that car|
|I'm from England and own a 1000 bhp blitz R34 skyline, and i could beat any Mustang, camero, or dodge viper. Not only that Japanese cars have the best technolgy in the world, in Japan and Europe American cars are known for not handling well and have dodgy suspention. It's time they realised you don't need 5.0 litres to make 180 -200 mph it's just wasting fuel. Jap cars are the future time to get rid of that 3 tons of pig iron and get a pocket rocket. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha|
|You know what really twists my balls. Is seeing these kids younger than me or my age with these suped up cars. because I know most of them if not all of them dont know shit about them. Theyre just these cars that there rich parents payed for. They took these cars into somebody who actually knows what there doing. the problem with this is im 22 and ive worked my ass off since i was 14 and i dont have shit show for it. all i have is a fucking 91 saturn SL1 which dont amount to shit especially since its all stock. I dont care to have a spoiler or ground effects or fucking VSPEC stickers. Which brings me to another point. Since when do you put an emblem or sticker for another brand of car on other cars example i saw a toyota camry the other day with Vspec on the back window. hahahaha i laughed my ass off. I dont like ricers any ways its like a chihuahua trying to be a graet dane. Ricers suck, Its all about the old american V8 for me.|
|would u fucks give it up, who cares what you can do to your fucking car, a bad driver in a good car beats a good driver in a bad car anyday, fucking race some one with the same car, same mods and then tell me whos better, beating someone doesnt mean shit unless u got the same equipment|
|Nothing ruins my day like beating a civic. It insults my honor to know that I even raced such a piece slow-moving piece of shit. If you like the cosmetics thing, fine. But don't race. you'll only embarass yourself more than you already did by putting a spoiler on a car that can't even reach a speed that it'll ever be functional or 20" rims on the back wheels of a front wheel drive car. If you really want to race, then there's always someone looking to raise their self esteem. I'd smoke you faster than a joint in a room full of addicts, 'cause your civic is probably slower than mollases moving up a cliff on a cold winter day. And if you can beat an exotic with your civic, it's probably an old ass piece of shit that's 50% rust and 50% body filler.|
|i dont race my honda, perfect for gas these days, cant see it doing much better without dropping a whole new engine in it whats the point, its something i use to get to work, if i actually had the insane amount of money to get it to do what a stock camero would do i might but why bother|
|The American muscle car thing is far from dead.you ricers have one thing to compair your love for slow tiny slow cars.the van craze from the 70's.....................show us a Civic with at least 300 TRUE hp...................you can't,they don't exist.Keep praying..................wanna go fast? Get a REAL car.The new Fords& chevys& Dodges offer way more than a Civic that will never have a real resale value.Price a used Civic if you want a laugh.they are disposable cars.
(Editor's note: I've seen several Civics dyno at more then 300HP...I've also seen plenty of muscle cars dyno at over 300 HP. So what's your point?)
|ricers suck ass|
|for all you fuckheads that are going to bash domestics or imports then your not really a car guy are you all you like is your car i have a stock eagle talon tsi but i don't mind driving a 5.0|
|Matt i agree. I had a 87 vette that was nothing special. picked it up for $7000 with 85K miles on it. I did absolutely nothing to it but a tune up. it was only 240 hp stock. driving around town i would have these little shits in hondas, acuras, and who knows what because every car with a wing out there has a V-Tech or a type-r sticker on it, reving at me. just the sheer fact that they are putting a wing that adds downforce to THE REAR OF A FRONT WHEEL DRIVE VEHICLE just boggles me. if they had any knowledge of cars and what different accessories do to their performance...Like motor trend last year, they had a focus that had like $100,000 worth of mods done to it against a lamborghini gallardo. wtf is that?!? any body can stick money into a shitty ass grocery getter and beat a real performance car. but i ask myself 2 questions: 1. Who buys a focus looking to beat a gallardo? 2. Who cares if it can beat it? I currently drive an 00 Vette. Again stock. Its 350 hp is fine for me. she still launches off the line and tops out at 176 (governed). and suprinsingly i still get between 28-30 mpg. NO JOKE. A|
|I dont understand the mindset of some the kids rolling in civics around here. I have an 86 monte carlo SS with a 355. i get revved on by civics all day with nothin but a fart can. I usually dont race any of them because its not worth it. But what are they thinking?!|
|i dont really care any more ive put a few comments on this page about my uncles subaru impreza and my citroen saxo but it dont matter i went to florida the other week and i tell you what i fell in love with some of the cars i drove the hummer h2 what a beast and an impala they are quick but overall the cars are great we hired a grand caravan for moving all our shit around and we pulled up to a stop sign one day and some monster truck pulled up beside us (really it was a ford f350 superduty) but the biggest pick up we have in britain is the nissan narvara and its tiny compared to this thing so as we pulled out i noticed this little plack on the front wing this pick up had a 5.7 litre hemi magnum v8 i couldnt believe my eyes 5.7 litre omg u americans have some beasty cars im thinking about either importing a dodge ram3500 or the ford f350 sd but i think a round of applause should be given to the americans for building these vehicles and nothing in britain comes close.|
|I just landed in this forum and I find there is to many people just bashing (import vs Domestique). It's just not funny. I personnaly don't give a damn where the car come from, as long has it look good. I like the 69 camaro and I still like the skyline. It just a depend on your taste. I think that there will probly still be people fithing over this when I'll be dead and I'm just freaking 21. By the way what really make's the car is it the body, the engine. I personnely think it take's both. So what do you call a import whit a domestique engine (datsun whit a 350 ls1). I don't give a damn where what came from. I dropped on this site because I was searching for info on the 4g63t engine, because I want know if there was a lot of personne that had performed swap with this engine. For your information there are a lot of domestique whit import engine. HELL dodge had many cars with mitsubishi engine in it (minivan, talon, the freaking neon engine sohc head is a outright copy, ...) Dodge, eagle same thing. Yeah back to the swap I was looking to drop this in a 2003 neon R/T. I normaly don't like this car, but a dealer near my place. Is selling one whit 500 K on the odo, and 15 K in accesories west wing body kit, air suspension, all black, cofortable letter interior. I find it look's good. I know the engine is not bad. But since it's has a lot of similarity's whit the 4g63t wich I will said is really a good engine able to hold 700 hp all day long. I admit it not going to be cheap. I don't intend to get to 700 hp. I just feel better nowing I have someting that can actualy be powerful and still be realiable. And it still a 2.0l just turbo. And you have to admit it kind of fun seeing the face of a corvette owner after you kicked is ass with a family car lol... You just can't mod the exterior of a car, an not be able to back it up whit at least a bit of power.|
|What you wrote was fine. BUt the last comment. There are still people that drool over Ferraris and the like. Where I live, the exotci supercars are rare. I spent 45 minutes photographing and drooling over an Enzo Ferrari I found parked on the side|
|Everyone seems to have an opinion..... Each to their own. Liking Japanese cars is a preference, just like liking American cars, Vintage cars or super cars. Does it REALLY matter who likes what? Most ricers aren't doing anyone any harm, so it seems silly to start a hate campaigne against them.It seems to me that ricers have just become the new "trendy" thing to hate, just like "Hotrodders" were a couple of decades ago. Stop worrying so much about what other people are doing and direct some of that criticism towards your own actions and beliefs. You may just learn something, and become a better person for it.|
|Wrench man............I'm in tears.......you laid the cards nicely.....I myself have a 1995 Chevy Beretta Z26 with a swapped Quad H.O. (which i did myself =) ) for the stock 3100.....its a domestic four banger with a turbo and a 5 speed that pushes 270hp....yup...besides the turbo, everything is stock inside( i mean the cabin..lol) and outside..anyways I love it....I mean come on, its awesome to see the look on the face of a 20 year old in an sti when i take him out at the strip just because i shift better...lol...I'm only 18 and God do I have a passion for cars.....next step...better wires, cai, stage 2 clutch, and fuel injectors (simple mods but they help..plus i can do it myseld thanks to Haynes..lol) ........I'm a sleeper...a ghost.....you'll never know what hit you......yup its my OWN UNIQUE chevy........made by me....after all, a car designed by the same dude who designed the camaro and vette...you forgot about it huh? never paid attention to it? well central florida remembers and respects.....see thats the beauty about building your own car...whether you like it or not...its a passion that will never die in our hearts...we are all Individuals; we are all Unique; we are all Americans.....lets keep this passion for cars living forever....domestic and import.....let us ride into the sunset......Drive.Race.Live..|
|Z26 Guy, that car sounds awesome! I love sleepers and think they are the coolest kind of car you can have period. My favorite kind of sleeper is a Chrysler minivan with a 420A engine (same as non-turbo 2nd gen Eclipse and Talon) that has had a Stage III Hahn Racecraft turbo system put on it. To see people's jaws drop when a soccer mom mobile outruns them.|
|ok guys, number one and remember this, no matter how much money you spend, no matter how fast your car is, there is always somebody faster than you! want me to prove it, fine get your punk ass off the streets and to a drag strip. enter into a class. watch and learn. then after gettin your ass handed to you by somebody who has a whole hell of a lot less work done to their car BECAUSE THEY CAN ACTUALLY DRIVE! youll wisen up. champions arent made on the streets, there made on the track. you guys with import iron, much respect. guys with domestics same. point is there is plenty of room in this buisness for everyone. guys out there building there own cars kudos, we need people like you to keep the sport alive. youll always have internet race cars guys, youll always have the ricers. but the bullshit stops at the track. may it be drag racing or roadracing. and believe me once you race at a track youll go back. no police, you wont kill innocent bystanders, no tickets, you wont lose you license, get my drift here? lets enjoy the hobby of cars, the goverment already has us on a short leash. build your cars, race em just do it on a track. and who knows maybe at the end of the season youll come away with a trophy that reads champion.|
|A thousand amens, wrench man. A thousand amens. :-)|
|There are several breeds of car people out there. People who like cars and just own a nice one, rational people who perform a few mods just for fun, people who can be lumped into the "ricer" category, and people who really know cars. I really know cars, so I am in the final part of that equasion. I have met respectable Japanese economy car tuners. It isn't an oxymoron. The thing is, most of the people I know that have done that move onto better things, because they realize the truth. It isn't about how much money you have anymore, because there is a flood of cheap performance cars on the market now, but about the knowledge you possess. For example, what kind of cars do I own, and how much did I pay for them? Well, my daily driver is a 1987 Saab 9000 Turbo, and I paid 900 dollars for it. I owned one before it, so I went out as a knowledgeable buyer, took my time, found a good one for a great price, and now I have a car that runs a 14.1 as daily driver. That is with 30 dollars in mods. The Saab is a fast car no one pays attention to, but with some knowledge one can snatch up the truly great bargains. What is my other car? A 1986 Porsche 944 Turbo. I paid 6,000 dollars for this car, a far cry from the 12,000 that kids dump into a new civic, and it will DECIMATE almost every other car on the road. Of course there are exceptions, but when one really looks into it, only a very small percentage of cars can beat it. Some motronic chips, shims, a wastegate spring, and a 3.0 bar fuel pressure regulator makes the stock 14.5 second 1/4 miles 944 turbo turn into a 320 horsepower low 13-second beast. Not to mention the handling, with its perfect 50/50 weight bias, 4 piston calipers all around, under body stock aerodynamics, and 161 mile per hour top speed...all stock! It may require a little more maintaince, but that is the price you pay for having a car that truly performs. My friend, a espoused former Civic tuner, decided to sell his car and, for 1500 dollars purchased an 80,000 mile Mistubishi Starion Turbo. Whew, what a bargain! He knows a lot about cars, and knows what to buy. It is quite fast stock, although no drag machine out ofthe box, and it handles very well. Another example of knowledge is power. In the end I am happy that the individuals of either disinterest or lesser intelligence don't know about the real secrets in the car world, it keeps the market price down for all of us who know what to buy. It also means that when I speak to fellow enthusiasts, I know off the bat that they are people I will like since they also have a true passion for performance, design, and engineering. Every manufacturer, domestic or foreign, makes their share of good and bad cars. I don't believe in just buying cars from one market, because that logic is flawed. I perfer cars from europe, but I admit their shortcomings (electronics/overly complicated designs) and deal with it.|
|I have a 2002 Trans Am WS6 that is relatively stock except for exhaust and a K&N. Is it the fastest car on the road? No it isn't, but it looks kickass and it will beat the majority of the cars on the road. What blows my mind is that 98% of the guys that drive Jap-cars put a loud exhaust, 50 racing decals and a ridiculous after-market wing and think they can beat anything on the road. I am sorry but I will take the sound of my 5.7/L any day of the week verses the sound of a chainsaw on crack. I respect anyone that likes cars, like they say different strokes for different folks, but I think you would be hard pressed to convince me to trade my car for a rice-burner.|
|Aaron, I'm beginning to see what you meant about your site being overwhelmed! lol I don't feel like typing a bunch of stuff, so everyone go to the 2 Fast 2 Furious Sucks thread and read all the nice things I wrote about the lies and misconceptions people have about their cars. Thank you very much. But the concept of ricers really isn't anything new. Before Americans had cheap Japmobiles, they had cheap American economy cars, and even then they tried to make them look like they were muscle cars and bragged about beating Hemi Chargers and Mustang Cobras. Bench racers and boy showoffs are nothing new. They just now have lots of flashy little stickers and bolt on metal to buy from the local Auto Zone. ;-) What happened to lowriders? Lowriding in itself is an excuse to make your car look wild and it doesn't matter because the car is meant to be driven slow. There is no lying present and its honest work and good artistic expression.|
|sup, i have a 94 civic with just a stage 1 cam and an intake to keep up on the highway, i'm not into doin the exterior since every other civic around here has a damn body kit, making noise with their cherry bomb mufflers, but it's not the car's fualt, why do people think rice when the word civic comes to mind, i think those ricers really f*cked up the platform. besides i've seen worse, like a cavalier with a big aluminum wing, it looks like a shopping cart.|
|i jus go ta stock 2.8l v6 1985 firebird and i have beat my sahre of imports. if you take all that money you put into a civic and put it in a oh lets a say a i-roc tthen u can stomp anything, but if you feel like throwing away money you can sup up ur 4 banger to beat a stock v6 or v8....if that is what you shoot for
(Editor's note: And the world yawned...People still don't get it...It is not about one engine vs. another, for foreign vs. domestic. It's about idiots who throw coffee can exhausts and shopping cart wings on ANY economy car and think they've turned it into a performance car.)
|I have a 92 honda accord, that is worth probably more than your normal two story home.(i.e.110,000). The point is that I also own a 1973 Olds cutlas 455,Also highly modified and my Accord will hands down kill my V8.I would just like to say, I would smoke the piss out of any person, anytime, and anywhere. I do not care if your car says Ferrari on the rear deck, I Will Tear You A New Asshole. Bring It On!!!!!!!!!!
(Editor's note: Now that's just stupid...)
|Aight, there are two types of rice. bad rice is some dude who buys a civic and puts an intake and a shift knob in it and calls it fast. good rice is a guy who does the same thing but acknowledges that his car isn't that fast. bad ricers give all "ricers" a bad name, so please stop!!
(Editor's note: All rice is bad rice. A 300HP Civic, cleanly done with no ungodly body kit is not rice.)
|Sup guys, im from Michigan Looking for others Like me who like to street race, i dont care if you are a Ricer or an old school gear head like me i have a 91 S10 Lowered 3" inchs with a 383 stroker only thing i can find to race around here is fake wanna be ricers and gutless V8's dunno if theres somewhere where people meet up to drag around here or what but if you live in michigan about Grand Rapids area drop me an email at
(Editor's notes: Street racing is stupid. Take it to the track where it belongs.)
|Everyone on here is talking about these ricers, and how everyone buys these japanese cars and puts all this shit on the outside, and nothing on the engine and i agree. So stupid, i a japanese car myself, a stock 1993 nissan maxima with and auto trans, i'll tell you that this is not one of those stupid civics, or accords, because people do rice out accords also. i love when i have someone in their 4 cyl. civic come next start reving their engine. i just give them a quick glance and turn back to the light. blow them off the line. I do give credit to the people with Integra's. my friend has a 95 integra gsr which i race. i have 160hp, and he has 175 about. he beats me out of the start and from there i keep up, but no gaining on him. the reason he beats me out of the start is his advantage in hp and torque also he has a 5 speed. if i had the 92-94 maxima se with 190 hp 5speed, i would kill him but that is another story, but i was just writing to say i'm glad no one is wragging on nissan maxima's cuz this is a true 4 door sports car.
(Editor's note: There's no such thing as a 4 door sports car. And to make matters worse, a Maxima is front wheel drive...It's not even close to being a sports car.)
|y0, ricers are pretty nice if they actually exceed 1.7 Liters HAHAHAHAH anyways, check out this website guys: http://ricerville.phatasia.com Pretty nasty ones on there bro!|
|It really doesn't matter what you are driving once you dump over 10k into it. I turned my 99 Dodge Neon into a 11 second car for about 6k (New clutch plate, flywheel, 12 pound HKS turbo, and new cams and rods)
Now I own a 1968 Olds Toronado, with a factory 455ci V8, that I picked up for 3k. Some TLC and 2k in tune up and parts,(new Edlebrock intake and carb, K&N Fitter, and some other goodies) I pray for those who rev their engines next to me on the line. (I dyno @ 575hp)
My point is: Once you completely rebuild or modify your car, it really isn't a Honda Civic Si, a Toyota Supra, a Chevy Camaro, or a 68 Ford Panel Van (Yes, I have seen a modified racing one.... don't ask) anymore. It becomes your own unique vehical with unique specs to boot. Do you think Sterling Marlin's Dodge Intrepid Nascar as anything in common with the 2005 Intrepid your gransfolks drive? Nothing but the name.
Cars, and those who love them, are like sports teams and thier fans. Everyone has some they love and some they hate. But, let us, at least agree we all love the game, if not the same players.
(Editor's note: I've seen a 12 second panel van as well. Twin turbo V8. Sweet....)
|Dude, not all of are like what you described. You cant judge all import enthuseist based on posers that are on tv. Go to any real racing event like race wars or Nopi nationals in hotlanta and you will see show and go. Not only are alot of the cars decked out with exterior mods, but also under the hood. We spend alot of money on our passion. Also what pedestal do you stand on to judge others. To me you are the one that is an ediot and imature. P.S- Fuck u bro.
Also , my civic has over 300 hp, So KISS MY ASS
(Editor's note: Once again, this guy doesn't get it. Regarding my "pedistole", I think this will do nicely. And congrats on that 300HP Civic.Where's the dyno sheet? A 300HP Civic is NOT rice. Obviously, it has actual performance modifications...Sigh, I don't even know why I bother...)
|Yeah, Hi Rev Tunerz is a pretty pathetic show. I drive a beautiful white Mitsu 3000GT with only a couple minor upgrades (intake and wheels/tires), and I CONSTANTLY get ricers in civics and everything else you can imagine trying to touch-off with me at lights. I'll always kill them off the line, but it's usually in the city where the speed limit is like 30-35, so of course I'm not gonna try and match them when they redline their little engines at 75. On the freeway, it's a different story, but thru a small city with many cops...I don't really feel like racing to see who's dumber.|
|HEHE i gots 200hp and i crammed the crap out of my 12 valve inline 6 to do that haha, i love the bigger than yours, I dont consider the skyline, supra, 3000gt vr4 only, 300zx, and the likes rice, those are actual sports cars, i would take any of those but again i would probably buy a broken one to do a v8 swap :),but you never know. A powerful car is a powerful car, but there are limits with configurations although things have really come a long way in the last 20yrs you can get alot from little, but smaller still takes alot more money to get same or less power on the norm. I have to agree with the moderator, this was supposed to be about when the hi rev tuners show really sucked, well even when they fixed it still kinda sucked.|
|TO EACH HIS OWN!|
|i've got a skyline r34 running 1054hp and 1276ft pds. of tourqe
(Editor's note: And now, the "mine is bigger then yours" starts...Great....Once again, show me the dyno...)
|I have a 1970 Camaro pushing 600+ HP....... (you all suck now)
(Editor's note: Show me a dyno sheet...)
|This sure is interesting...I would just like to clear a few things up...the most powerful motor of the 60's was NOT the hemi, however it was the ford 427 OHC...putting out somwere like 770 horse with dual quads. Now i dont hate ricers, some i can definatly respect...3000 gt vr4, supra, skyline, 300zx..I personally am into the FWD mopars, i dont care...knock em down...but they scream with a very small amout of money..Omni GLHS, Shelby Z's, IROC R/T's...i personally have a 91 es daytona, 92 Iroc daytona, and a 90 caravan..all with 3.0 v6...not great for power...not very reliable...but if you know how to work a die grinder, a welder, and a mill...you can make anything fast....i know a guy with a 12 second caravan, another with a 10 second Kcar...The best is beating ricers with my caravan...its got a 5 speed stick, bored out block, ported heads, intake, custom exaust...ect.. probly runs like high 15's, but smoking civics or sunfires is the best thing in the world...expesially when they flag you down after and ask you what the hell you running...whatever you drive, respect what others drive cuz they will react the same way if sombody were knocking on youre cars|
|i own a 94 civic 1.6 and a 2000 monte carlo ss 3.8 the point im trying to make is how can you compare a american car with a japanese car. any car is a good car as long as you keep up with the maintanence.|
|camaros and mustangs??? lets get real If i pull up next to one of those ill laugh and give you a run ( by the way my car is show and can definatley go) kids these days dont want cars that will suck my gas money just going to school. i have a b18c5 motor in my Honda crx with plenty of mods and lemme tell you im wayyyy under what you old guys spend on your "no replacement for displacement" cars if your running 13's your running 13's if your running 12's its 12's either you want to do it in a big boat like a camaro or a mustang or in a smaller car like almost all hondas. I just hate when i hear how cockey all you muscle car fans are, casue i have definatley shut a few up by not backing down from them. But i know since "ricers are gay, ignurant stuck up kids that usualy drive them" we tend to be scared of your roaring flow threw mufflers, your cut sleeve shirts, and yur little smurk on your face like your balls are bigger than your car. theirs nothing more satisfying then to pull up next to a "fast" camaro and the driver annnnd his girlfriend smile like oh yeah "easy kill" pppffftt im thinking the same thing while im smoking my butt. You seee you think ricers back down but ricers get hated on by the police and your low end torque cars usually get smashed off the line by "TUNERS" not ricers.....so pick your spots you see a blinged out 20"" rim honda civic RACE IT! in your fast ass muscle car and go tell your friends how you ripped apart a blinged out ride.....but pull up next to a civic thats clean as fuck and smiles right back in your face and then go tell your friends youve changed your mind......civics are fast cars ....Power to weight ratio baby.
(Editor's note: This idiot is calling people "cocky"? I swear, it's like a bunch of monkeys throwing their own feces at each other. It's NOT about import vs. domestic. Never was. It's about a useless TV show, that is now thankfully off the car, which typifies the ricer lifestyle. It's about making fun of kids that stick fart cans on ANY car and suddenly think it's a sports car. It's about people saying that Honda Civic is a fast car. But it's not about imports against domestics. Get this through your thick skulls.)
|My thoughts, start with a car that you can make something out of. It is too all his own, but rice is dumb. I drive a 240z inline 6 is ok but I prefer v8 and American can't wait to get my hands on new motor, gonna put a 8 in it was gonna buy an ls1, but now im thinking of a prebuilt with a blower. Well anyway back to the post. I suppose anything can be rice, but the whole culture and cars are just plain stupid, moslty 16-21 year olds. And some one said that a old car can't corner better than a honda I beg to differ in some ways. That thing called a chassis makes riggidity for cornering great with the new uni body cars you have to run rails to front and back anyway to stable the car. you can buy imports that will be good, and as long as you can work on it. I am not talking front wheel drive cars, talking about rear wheel drive still the best and most balanced platform. Front wheel drive is for commuting, was cheaper to make and is stable with low power and speed. too much going on on one set of wheels braking steering and pulling. subaru make some good stuff but again why do you need all wheel drive just adds two differentials. more weight can floor it bust drive train good for bad weather but like front wheel understeer up the ass. take for example going in a turnabout over and over the front and all will vere out violently not a good feeling wishy washy. rwd will stay right there. everyone says oh american cars and v8's are all heavy typical ricer thing to say not so alot of older cars are really lighter than even some of the hondas. my z weights 2300lbs and will drop 100lbs when the v8 goes in. Cars now have all that saftey crab built into them and other gizmos and things. old camaro is only like 3200lbs, bottom line v8 better torque better sound, better build, better speeds, better times, not rice. Rice culture remove yourself, it still is fun to smoke a ricer, if they ever will race you. in general they take just every day cars that moslty can't be made to do anything with some exceptions make them look stupid with vinyls and dumb shit and think it is fast and cool, and they try to talk cars to you and it is a joke than you question them and they have no clue what they are talking about.|
|This one has been running awhile. Im old, have owned lots of domestic and imports and have found i prefer imports. If i want a realy fast drag car, id get a stang or camero. I dont drag so i dont need a car i gotta fill up twice a week. i currently have 2 cars, a honda civic that will lose to everything you all have but thats ok, i drive it for 3 weeks on a tank of gas. beat me to the pump all you want. my other is a wrx. runs about the same as the mustang gt of that year at about the same price. it still isnt the fastest out there but i can drive it very nicely and can woop up on most domestics when its slick out. Awd usualy beats traction control. my last civic i took on a drive and got passed by a camero on a straight. 5 minutes later i was on his bumper when he hit the twisties. why did this happen? he spent money on parts instead driving school. moral of story is a bad driver with 500 hp can get spanked by a good one with 200. learn to drive what ya have!!!|
|Let's get this straight any bullshit saleman with a mouth full of product is a punk.Plain and simple. Wanna race? Take it to the track, thats what it is there for. You wanna build an import? Fine. More Camaro's and Mustangs for me and my freinds. I own a 97 z28 and a 1980 camaro drag car, I'm not worrrying about imports. Drive what you like and If you run your cocksucker back it up. I will say onr thing , most of the ricers who responded here should stop cutting english class. Is your keyboard broken or are you just un-educated?|
|Let's get one thing straight. Not every one has tens of thousands of dollars to drop into a honda to make it run 7 second E.T's But a real tuner can spend 3-4k in performance mods and make it quicker than a corvette or dodge viper. The beauty behind that is those american cars retail anywhere from 35 to 80 K, while total spent on the Honda is 19-23 K. I am well aware that if the owner of that viper were to upgrade his car the way I did mine he would demolish me in a straight line, but the chances are is that middle aged man doesn't know shit about cars and rather fork over the money rather than build one for himself. A all around tuned honda can hang with some of the best performance cars in the world. There are a lot of advantages of having a car that has a curb weight of 2000 pounds and has the capability's of reving up to 12k rpms per minute. No one will ever convince me that any american sports car can hang with a Integra type-R or civic type-R on the curcit track or most public streets. The hondas has not even half of the horse powerof american sports cars but has amazing corner entry and exit and would stay ahead no problem. I have had my 1.8 liter ls/vtec bored out to a 2.2 liter with golden eagle sleeves pistons and rods(american parts) jun cams stainless steel valves port and polished the head compression ratio 12:9:1 and puts out 283whp and 268lbs.of torque it has a redline of 12 rpms. this car is one of the quickest street hondas in Idaho. Bottom line is "don't get real tuners an ethusiast confused with kids that talk a load of shit and really make hondas look and sound bad. And don't RIP on hondas there are plenty of shitty cars to burn Hondas make some of the most reliable efficiant cars in the world. I have never heard of any american cars pushing 300,000 miles on a non-rebuilt motor. America makes the best of a lot of things in the world, cars are not one of them. Oh yeah, eagle talons arenothing but a generic mitsubishi eclipes. Poor fuckers.|
|TO all you moronic rice burners that think that the American Street Scene is gone, you two have another thing coming. Our club has two car that will smash most of the rice burners out there. If you think that you can step up to our modded 1997 Chevy Cavalier Z24, and 2000 Ford Focus ZX3, then tyou guys can just step up. You guys want to drop all of this money into your ricers, and still you get nowhere. I do not understand why you guys put your 4ft. tall wings on, and kit it abnd slam it, when you get no faster, or cooler. Do you think that those mods will make you go faster? ?You need to have a good American car, and then you can do those mods and be cool. And as far as you ricers thinking that you can scoop up the ladies......Shit, we can roll up and take any lady out of your car, and hope to God that they are your woman, 'cause they will know who the real Pimps, and racers are. So take that, wad it up, and throw it into your 4'' tipped Aluminum Can muffler, and smoke that shit up! PEACE!
(Editor's note: Blah blah blah. Rant rant rant...Is it too much to ask for intelligent comments? I guess so...)
|Let me start out by saying that nothing sounds sweeter then a lumpy cammed drag car.Ok, here's my comment. I am 29 yrs. old ,I lay brick and stone for a living and I love all cars.My first car was a 87' plymouth tourismo 4-cyl.bomb.It blew up on me the second day I got it and I drove it like that on three cyl. for about a year.I eventually fixed it and it was pretty quick.A few yrs. later I bought a turbo talon,nice quicker car.No wings just stock esi turbo with all the options. I loved both of those cars,each one for different reasons.My current love is what I gave away before I got the Talon. I had a 68 Chevelle Malibu 350. Paid 2000 for it and sold it for 2000 thinking I could easily just buy a big block Chevelle later.Wife, one sweet little girl, a dog and a ford explorer(with the 5.0 v-8) later,I still longed for that v-8 sound of that chevelle with headers and cherry bombs.Not too fast but the sound alone is awsome.Well all cars are cool and can be made fast but it's the eye of the beholder! And this one's holding on to his 309 duration cammed 454(461=454 bored .30 over) 9-inch ford rear end with 4.11 and a detroit locker powered Chevelle until my wife says it's me or that car. No I can't lie, I'll still have the car.There is nothing like a v-8, nothing. Ford, chevy, dodge, amc,amx, pontiac, whatever. If it's a v-8 it's all right with me.I go to the drags all the time, and the 4 bangers are cool, 6's are even better but I've yet to see a 8,000 horsepower 4 or 6. Yes 8,000 horsepower. And dodge boys (my dads listening) it's got a hemi. At 4.46 seconds at over 300 miles per hour I'd have to say that makes every car mentioned on this site look like a turd.So all you haters,wannabe's and just plain foolish kids,the hemi is king and has yet to be knocked off by any other motor.And this is coming from someone who doesn't even own one. Grow up America, and say these two words for me, HE MI. There, I've cleared up 20 pages of hate and stupid messages with two words. Ah the hell with it, your honda sounds like my ass after a bad night of mexican food.There I'm on the bandwagon too. Ya and my 520 horsepower Chevelle would blow the doors off of your civc si.Prelude vvti, wrx, as long as they all run over 11 seconds, as far as the guy who said what are ya drivin a van? Ya, pretty much 3650. lb. car. And as far as pickin up chicks, if you need a car to do that for ya , that's your problem. But to sum it all up for the fastest street driven, production based car? I would have to say the 69 L88 427 corvette would probably take it all.Factory prepped race car with well over 600 horses. look it up, the next would be the mighty Viper at 12.1 and then maybe the new 7.0 liter zo6 vette.Oh ya and the viper and the vette are currently "smoking" anything on four wheels in the road courses, Lemans,etc also. Where was I going with this? In closing, BUY AMERICAN , made in china, india etc. stuff is all shit! Spend the extra 5 bucks and keep your money where it belongs, here .Quality counts and American standards are the highest, built by the best people in the world,Americans! V-8's forever and HEMI'S the king!
(Editor's note: American standards are the highest? Um, since when?)
|If u dont like em, y the hell are spending your tyme talkin shit|
|i agree with rick. a lot of people who are into cars are not about performance. then again, some of these cars are fast as hell, but look like crap. its all in what that individual is in to. they create these wonders for theirselves, trust me iknow, im one of them!!!|
|50 rules show me a 9 second import under 20000 grand with pumped regular gas and street tires
(Editor's note: Google "supra" and you'll have your answer)
|ok, boys, here´s a german girl and i tell you now what i think about your shitty discussion. weeellllll....- i have a dodge charger. my little sister a corvette. my boyfriend a roadrunner and my other older sister a totally pimped up honda civic. now guess who is beating up who, hm? someone in here wrote there´s no car that can not be beaten up, i agrree, but not totally, because the civic is ALWAYS beaten. it was never the first. in here we can not say, ok, let´s meet at this or that street, race that boulevard or anything like that. we have to go on the "autobahn" and look that the police is not getting us. there are practically no races in germany, esp. in bavaria, here´s police evrywhere. my sis with the honda is the only SHITCARDRIVER i´m talking to, the others have just farting cars, listen to awful music and look totally - ah, like idiots!! they are kids!! they can not drive good! I was driving ralley with a V6 audi, so i can drive, believe me. but what i wanted to say, you see, i don´t like ricers, but it seems you all are able to have private competitions out on street whenever you want, so: drive it out!! don´t argue, meet each other, show your cars and show who´s the best. and don´t say in the end you lost because of anything..you lost-ok?! in my opinion it will be 65% to 35%. the 65% are for all the corvettes, mustangs, chargers, roadrunners, camaros and other american musclecars out there....i´m sorry, but that´s the truth!! aahh, before i forget it: during the winter i drive my dad´s opel diplomat with V8 engine to get to a club at the weekend and when i have to get to work during the week, when it snows and rains and there is salt on the street i drive the streetfighter nr.1: a fiat panda, italian crap, with - you won´t believe - 45ps. na?! i´m glad if it runs 100kmh!! and it´s fun to drive this metalbox, because, boys, a car is made to get from point A to point B, and during your ride you should have fun, listen to good rock´n´roll music and enjoy that the heating works!!!!|
|im an all american car person. i like ford, respect chevy, not to sure about dodge. jap cars arent bad considering their price and what you get, but when you have these retarded pieces of shit roaming the streets with a lousy "fart cannon" and a four banger, then dare to compare to much more capable vehicles such as a mustang or camaro, then the problems with jap cars start to rise. plus its hard for ricers to beat a ford 427 V8 or a chevy LS1 engine. ps. Porsches kick ass.|
|Ok I stumbled upon this site looking for something completely irrelevant but had to put my 2 cents in. Imports vs. Domestics goes both ways. First, Any classic American car (mostly 72 and under) are also more investments than just drivers with balls to compete. If any of you know anything about the auto industry is that classics and some hotrods, DON'T LOSE VALUE. Which means you can buy an original Camaro/Firebird whatever, with a stock motor that is mostly oringal xxx dollars, drive it for years and it will be worth more than what you paid for it (despite maintaince, gas, insurance, etc.). Now Japanese cars, especially honda, toyota and nissan are number one for resale value, but I am not comparing them to new American cars. And just so you know, adding your gay sticker and wing made from recycled campbell's cans, is a complete nightmare to try to resell. The dealer will bleed you dry on trade in, and selling it privately is a whole other story on its own considering who your market is. Despite that, maintaince for a 350 or a 351 is dirt cheap in parts when you compare it to your japanese counterpart. I can get a waterpump for a SBC new for 60-90 depending on whether it is aftermarket or Factory, install it myself in a matter of 45 minutes and be back on the road. Doing that on your prelude, civic, or maxima is not easy and the part is 2-3 times the price. Especially cause everything is confined, installation is a bitch. Getting back to what I originally started talking about, your Jap car only loses value. Despite that, if any of you speed racer wannabes know anything about mechanics, japanese motors are built hot tempered, which has it ups and downs. Its great cause odds are you will have to put minimum amount of money into the thing the first 5 years you own it, but after that is another story. Typically, once a Japanese car starts having mechanical problems, it is the beginning on its journey to the junkyard with the exception of a couple of exceptionally designed vehicles like the acura legend. American cars, especially old school pushrod motors will last a consider time, althought upkeep is usually more, but much cheaper. And for reference, I am talking about your REGULAR muscle cars, camaro, firebird, nova, chevelle, superbee's, challengers, mustang's, cougars etc. Not your DZ 302 camaro or your shelby or even a vette. And of course, I have to talk about how solid ANY Jap car is. Most old school American cars are STEEL, which doesn't ding up every time someone farts by your car. When you get into an accident in your Jap car, most of the time it is totalled or, even worse the insurance company rebuilds it for you and gives you back your "redone" crashed car and now takes away your "Clear Title" which should only cost you a minimum of 50% value of your car. I am not saying American cars are safer, just more solid. If you pare that, with a decent roll bar/roll cage and a 5-point safety harness, odds are you will just mess up the other poor guys car, unless he's got a 70 coupe deville or old school land rover or something else related to a Tank. These are all factors you have to compare. I am not anti-Japanese, in fact i've had a couple of jap cars and bikes. I just think you have to look at the whole spectrum, and obviously the main argument of Jap cars is gas mileage. While my camaro gets 8-12 mpg (Big Block for you real car guys out there) depending on my driving habits, my buddies integra gets 3 times that. And it adds up. Before I get ridiculed by some 16 year old, make sure you know what your talking about. Like I said, I am not anti-japanese, just laying out the factors which have not been discussed on this board.|
|ok i highly agree with all you american and tuner boys and girls. but i have to disagre with all you ricers on yalls point of view. you just need to take a step back and realize what you are doing you are putting fart mufflers and a intake and saying you run 13's that is way beyond realizm. i mean i live in a town called del rio, tx. and it is infested with ricers and i have one friend who is a actual tuner he owns a black 1997 rx-7 with a twin turbo, headers,excuast and he blows all these little hondas out the water. but it is so bad in this town that people are even getting there moms oldsmobel and putting and exhaust and a huge ass wing on the end. seriously if any one would be able to come and see what this town is you will make so much money with a tuner car cause these dumbasses even put money down on the races
(Editor's note: RX-7s stopped getting shipped to the US in 1995...)
|Ok for all you lamers who think ur little civics are big and bad... yeah you can stick about 6k or more into and hang with a STOCK Mustang or Camero or a TA (Trans Am for those who are dumb). I myself i have 82 Mazda Rx7 in which i plan on putting a "STOCK" 350 or a V6. And to all you little "street racers with ur little 4 bangers... remember this. THERES NO PLACEMENT FOR DISPLACEMENT!!!!!!. i will put a stock 350 in my 1800 pound car and eat any civic on the street alive..while paving a black mark. and any real racer knows that bodykits are fucking worthless UNLESS its and aero kit which are made light and aerodynamic. so all you little ricers out there with ur expensive body kits and "SPOILERS" or "WINGS" there basically pointless unless they add downforce.. and to the person who stuck 70k into a civic ur a fucking moron.. if i had 70k i would only need less than half to eat ur little fucking ricer alive with a good ol V8. and i aint talking about one of those new piece of shit fuel injected things im talking about good ol carbration. so the next time you see alittle fourbanger thats got worthless bodykits and a worthless wing on it.. or even if you thinking about putting motor into any car and i dont care if its just cold air intake and a exaust system.. remember this you put on all the worthless bodykits and wings your just making ur car weigh more and any "smart" person would know that a light car goes faster than a car thats got around 500 pounds or more or worthless junk on it. and why make ur car look good when thats all it will do.. is look good. i had a piece of shit 64 chevelle malibu and you know what i had more girls pull up next to me than someone with a full out system and "body work" done to it but enough with this shit.. ive proved my point in more ways than one..and to the people who are serious about "street racing" or even serious about going to a drag strip and doing ti legally remember this... keep it looking and sounding stock. lighter is better and if you cant get ur power that you have under your hood to the ground you are sure to lose unless the other persons car is a little pussy fourbanger.
(Editor's note: Um, that's great and all, but I think you're just slightly confused. According to my Factory Service Manual, the '82 RX-7 weighs 2350 LB with the 4-speed, 2385 LB with the 5-speed, or 2410 LB in automatic form. So I'd be curious as to what you did to the car to pull more then 400 LB off of it, when the 1st gen RX-7 is already a pretty bare car from the factory. And of course, you're replacing a 250 LB rotary with a 500+ pound V8. Also, anyone who refers to a fuel injection system as a "piece of shit" in a comparison to a carburetor has absolutely no clue what they're talking about.)
|Well, here's the thing: Its all a matter of slang. A "tuner" is someone who actually knows how their engine works, and can take advantage of that in order to squeeze some performance out of their car. A "ricer" on the other hand, is probably a younger person who either does not care, has little money, or is in 'it' for the glory. They're the people you'll find with the body kits, 'fart pipes', and glowing under-the-car-lighting. I've personally know someone like that. He once explained to me about all of the cosmetics he was going to add to his 4-door Grandam(n) and when I asked why, he simply said: "to get chicks".
Do I hate ricers? Absolutely. I get woken/'shooken' up at night because some kid went by in his fart-pipe car with his bass turned up to maximum. I can't stand people like that, they're a nuisance.
I, on the other hand, am a sport-bike enthusiast. I became interested in the concept this summer, and proceded to get my motorcycle license and an old sports bike for $400. Once I had gotten the basics down, and had started perfecting my riding style (I don't recommend beginning with a crotch rocket like I did..almost killed myself when I first started riding), I began to ride around town. *Boom*, in no time flat I'm being challenged by ricers where ever I go. I mean, I must have been some kind of attention whore, because before getting my motorcycle, I had never recieved any attention driving around in my 87 Toyota Corolla (33 mpg :-) ).
Anyways, one day I was riding out to my friends in the country, taking it easy, enjoying the wind, when a kid in his white ford focus blows past me. Well, I was a little startled, and he was a good 200 yards in front of me, but I saw it was clear of other traffic so I took off after him (I know a lot of us hate when people race on public roads, but I have a mean demeanor toward ricers so I thought this would be an opportunity to blow off some steam). Keep in mind that I'm literally sitting on a glorified 110 hp engine with tires here. Within seconds I had rocketed past him, giving him the sweetest, most satisfying side glance, went a little further, and slowed down to the speed limit.
Yes, ricers should be shunned...but as for you tuners out there, congratulations to you- weather you're tuning an import, domestic, car, truck, or minivan. If you know how to make your ride faster through knowlege on how it works, thats great. But if you're someone who's ignorant, 'assholic', and in it for the glory, you're going to get blow away by the tuner
P.S. Best 400 bucks I ever spent. If I have the money this summer, a turbocharger and my own custom water injection system will help land my bike into the 200 mph club. Be Safe.
(Editor's note: Exactly.)
|wow you ricer guys really know your stuff...none of us domestic owners ever said anything about how your cars were pieces of shit, or they couldnt go fast, you're just full of shit when you say your stock HONDA SHITVIC can "smoke" any domestic car. however, maybe your shitty d16 civic can smoke a viper in the quarter, if by "smoke" you mean you're still sitting at the starting line in time to see the viper finish. always remember, racing in your honda is like competing in the special olympics, even if you win you're still retarded.|
|basically we domestic owners are saying: both domestics and ricers know their roles. thats why ricers look nice and domestics are just faster. dont make up fantasies about beating exotics or american muscle cars, because its not true and no one believes you, get over yourselves and on with your asian inspired underground racing life...and to the retard who dropped "$70k" into his civic, do everyone a favor and go kill yourself. and take your stupid ass "$80,000" honda civic with you. (or maybe its an acura civic...)|
|alright so ive been reading these post. and i just think its all fucked up. you people are arguing over something thats obvious. imports are the shit. if you call a honda civic with 500hp a ricer. than what the hell is a domestic pushin 500hp. is there really a difference? shit the only difference i see is that an import comes from japan and a domestic comes from the u.s. so fuck eurofighter cause not everyone can afford a 100000 dollar ferrari. or a 40000 dollar viper. yes what us "ricers" do to our cars cost about that much. but the to buy a really fast car and not have to do anything to it is gay. the whole part of having a fast car is to know why its fast. people who buy these stock fast cars are rich snobby fucks. so fuck you and fuck any thing that aint an import!!!
(Um, a 500 HP Civic is NOT rice. It's a huge waste of money, but it's NOT RICE. Now, a Civic with a fart can, ugly body kit, neon lights and 10 foot tall wing; that's rice.)
|Yea its stupid to think that these new riced up cars are suppose to be the new tread of cars. I was sick for years to beleive that people dig this stupid shit i mean why the fuck would you want to build a Supra to beat a Ferrari? is that suppose to funny or something?. It doesnt matter how much you modify a civic its still a godam civic regardless of what you say!. Where is the world coming to fucking people dont street race because they love it oh no these days it for a thing called RESPECT? you what respect how about fighting for it or earn it the hard way. People may beat a Stock porsche911 in there moms old civic but what about real racing like the track? dragracing isnt real racing. People think they can build these so called high performance cars out of civic and supra but in reality ricer cars are for people who cant afford real performers like lamborghinis and ferraris. Plus have you ever herd the way these civics sound? there sound like lawnmowers! like im suppose to give fucking respect to them. Bottom line get a real car like a lamborghini or ferrari it doesnt even have to be that you could also buy a Corvette or a Viper. At least you will have something decent rather than your moms old civic or dads old supra!. Im going to laugh at this dumb tread of cars in 20years from now and see all the old people aka the young people today talk about there ricer cars when they owned them in high school. Fuck ricers and fuck people who think there awsome~!get a real ride.|
|i have a toyota corrola ae92, would that be considered a ricer car? it only has wider tires and some interior mods lol.|
|I stumbled on to this web site while shopping for my new motor for my accord now i do agree with some of the things you guys are sayin about retard ricers because there are alot of them out there they throw a spoiler some rims tailights muffler and intake on there honda and they call it performance which is complet bull shit if your gonna do something do it right do go half ass and quit and you guys where talkin about that import show on the speed channel GOD DAMN them host are fuckin retarded i seen the episode where they where talkin about the turbos o my god i wanted to shoot my self in the head when that guy was talkin about the performance parts in the car he doesnt have a fuckin clue now im not tryin to say im a genious when it comes to car but i know more then most right now im attending wyoming tech if your into cars i know ya heard about it iv learned so much here now about the whole thing o your supin up your moms car blah blah blah its amazing what you can do to your mamas car for all you import haters that dont know shit about cars and think that becasue you have a transam or a camero you think your hot shit fuck that wheres the uniqness about that car you cant do shit to it cosmeticly the possabliltys with imports are endless so lay of a little tell you truly understand what its all about any one that wants to bring there v8 my hit me back if im in the area ill show you what a ported and polished 2.2l turbo vetec can do pushing about 430hp lol i would like to see your cameros transams and mustangs can do from a true ricer with more go then show later|
|Yeah I found this place same as Nick above me. But y'know, to fight everyone's statements all at once. It dont matter what you drive, what you own, what you want, its all based on MONEY. How much money you willin to drop in a vehicle to make it the fastest? loudest? "coolest" ? Personally, I dont care for imports, that because I like my muscle cars, but to say you cant do shit to a TransAM or Camaro ? You sure you goin to Wyo Tech ? Shoulda went to S.A.M.s if you believe that statement. Yeah you can bore out a few imports, throw some NOS in em, make em fast. but ask yourself this. You pushin out nearly 500 in that import we'll say right ? Right now my 67 LeMans is pushing 400, and i aint got NOS in it, I aint got the COOl shit in it, but you can bet your ass not many people care to race me. Why ? Because I dont boast about what I got under the hood, I aint got nos, i aint got any of that shit. Yeah so you got a fast import. Do you know how to drive it ? Driving is 90% of winning a race if you do that kinda stuff. You dont know when to shift at the right moment, your acceleration will be the only thing to save you. But if you race a guy who knows how to drive, it dont matter how fast you think you are, because hes gonna know how to waste your ass to the finish line. Yeah, imports are cool, sometimes. They got all those groundeffects and stuff on em. they can look cool at times, but y'know, they just too damn common nowadays, same as Camaros. They too common around, girls round here anyways dont dig this little import that goes voom voom, they want the ones that make the ground shake thats not caused by those damn sub woofer blastin morons. Thats whats its all about, you can drive either, but less you got an appreciation for what you drive, and dont "boast" it like 90% of people do, who cares what you drive? Aint no one gonna like you, and you aint gonna be gettin no where. So tell ya what, you drive the imports, we drive the domestics, new cars, muscle cars, it dont matter. But one thing, how much money you wanna pump in that SOB to make it the fastest ? You always gonna lose sooner or later, just depends on how much money you just lost. Cya all|
|I think we're all forgeting the true reason cars were invented. A means of transportation from point a to b. I currently have a 98 stang and to be honest i know very little about the car(but heck i still love it, and it gets me places, which of course is its purpose).Though I think the whole import tuner scene vs american muscle cars is a bit rediculous. Ive seen quite a few people driving their "tricked out" hondas or stangs, etc. But IMHO if youre going to spend so much money on a car just so that it can be faster, how exactly are you going to use it without violating traffic laws or endaring the lives of others and not to mention your own. For the most part, those who put all that cash into moddifing their cars never actually drive them in race tracks. sadly|
|This really pisses me off. These ricers thinking that they got hot cars. No 3.2 litre Nissan can get 1000+ hp, its physically imposible. And wuts wrong with kids these days, buy civics and putting plastic body kits, aluminuim mufflers and fart-mufllers that sound like the car is taking a shit. They say there tuners, but the have to keep the stock front wheels because they can't tune the speedo to get the correct speed reading with bigger wheels. Why are only camaros and mustangs being mentioned, what about challengers, chargers, chevelles, corvettes, shelby cobras and the other great american cars that have over 400ci dissplacement. People comparing civics and msutangs makes no sense. How about compare a Buick Century and a mitsu eclipse, both stock(or I think so), the eclipse was trying hard and the Century was barely trying and beat the shit out of the mitsu. Japanese cars are maded to comute and save on gas, not for performance. I've heard of civics having a million+ miles on them but it's no race car. The Japanese did not invent the rotary engine(a German guy did), the never invented anything the just stole them. Like dirfting, they say they were doing it in the eighties, but guys were sliding around on ice and gravel. If you ricers din't know, mitsubishi made the planes that bomb Pearl Harbour.
(Editor's note: And Lockheed Martin runs a welfare slave camp in Michigan, so what's your point? Also, I have personally seen 1.3 litre RX-7s making over 1000HP...)
|I have a question.Why do all ricers look like buzzcut,baggy pant,earring wearing,rap music loving,"home boy"motherfuckers? The look and sound of their "cars" and themselves is a joke. It costs a lot of money to modify a car today.Why would you want to spend thousands of dollars to rice out a front wheel drive 4 cylinder shitbox?|
|my 1991 integra ls is stock. it cost me 3k... how much do mustangs cost? well i can smoke mustangs, camaros and allot more.. if i had 10k to get another car, id buy a ricer for under 5 and spend the rest on mods.. 5k in a ricer wuld whoop ass
(Yeah, we believe this one....Stock 1991 Integra running faster then a 5 litre Mustang....sure....)
|Just wanted to correct my statement by saying i meant to say Straight-6 engines are in the 2JZ and RB26 not inline 4.....that was a mistake but i just missed-typed im not that much of an idiot. MY BAD|
|in response to "fuck you", no fuck you, an 85 camaro? i have a 1999 "four banger" eclipse with around 350 hp, come to philly and check out delaware ave. youll be blown away by these four and six bangers beating "muscle" cars...and giving them at least a car lengths head start...i suppose you think you can beat suzuki hayabusas, and rc51s too right?
(Editor's note: Honestly, shut up...Give it up. Morons on both sides, when sides had nothing to do with it in the first place...)
|u stupid ignorant ricer iv got a 85 camaro that will beat the shit out of ur little 4 or 6 banger or that fucking mustang because imports and mustangs r shit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!|
|imports r for little fuckers who cant handle power
(Editor's note: Yeah, whatever...Good show...)
|Andy.....first off Preludes are good hondas as well. Just because its a FWD car doesnt mean anything. Ive seen FWD civics....(yes civics and its very sad but true) with 700-800hp running in the 9's. So thats not true but also the 2JZ Toyota Supra motor is not a V-6 it is an Inline 4 which is something u should know if u wanna brag about it. As a matter of fact the RB26 is ALSO an Inline 4. Learn your facts before u speak|
|1. There are and always will be 140 hp neon green civics with drivers that think they're hot shit. Nothing you can do about 'em. Just ignore them.
2. Drag racing is cool if you're mature about it, but just know that for many races, at least on the random street level, it's all about the car. You can save time by just telling eachother the 0-60, the 1/4, and the top speed of each car.
3. You can have an mr2 that can beat a Malibu on the streets, but on the autocross course you might not be able to hold your own if you just race from stop light to stop light all day. Don't confuse it with real racing, the kind that involves a lot more skill.
(Editor's note: Having raced both autocross and drag, I would have to say that each involves quite a bit of skill, just different kinds of skills.)
|bottom line. jap cars are sh!t. 70k to put a turbo that runs 7psi on a 1.6l? kids braggin about 19 sec qt times? best i heard was 14sec? heh, for about 5k i can create a 550bhp motor and run 12.25 @ 117mph all day and that includes a beautiful looking motor and car. wtf. jap cars are terrible. terrible motors, terrible build quality, terrible handling, terrible everything. not one of those honda owners know anything about what they did on their cars, how it works, how to develope it, how to tune with it. they dont know how to set up their cars for the track; drag, auto-x or anything. adjustable sway bar links, spring rates, alignment specs and how they effect the handling. nothing. pisses me off.
(Editor's note: Un huh. While I agree that bragging about a 19 second quarter is stupid, and the fact that ricers have absolutely no real knowledge, some of this just doesn't make sense. Poor build quality on Japenese cars? Huh? What world are you living in? Also, there are plenty of Japenese cars that run the 1/4 in less then 14 seconds. RX-7, Supra, Evo, S2000, WRX, etc. And 550HP to run 12s? What are you running, a full sized van? I was doing 12s in my RX-7 on less then 300 RWHP.)
|well how about v8s and 4 bangers suk
if u want a proper engine get a V6 twin turbo 3.0L 2jz-gte from toyota. or a 2.6L rb26-dett nissan engine. running proper boost on these engines makes them equivilent too a 6.0l car in displacement now thats hard to beat. also ive seen my mates get 1000hp+ from a 2jzgte for under $aus 40,000 which would be very hard and prob expensive to beat with a naturally aspirated engine. i know shit all about your american muscle cars cause im from australia but if there like our fords and holdens i know that there wont be many that could beat a supra or skyline. and anyway if its muscle cars VS hondas id go muscle cars cos hondas suk ball except nsx and s2000. mainly cos they suffer from honda syndrome which means they are all front wheel drive which sux. how u supposed to drift that :D. and a fwd will never beat a rwd car of the same power/torque rating
(Editor's note: Being from Australia, you should be wasting your time on piston engines.)
|how would u like to see your 2005 Nissan 350z sucked up by a 1976 ford grand tourismo..!! belive it or not.. i saw one yesterday.. and none of them were stock..both were heaviliy modified...|
|haha, all you guys out here, i've owned ricers to camaro's, nothin against anyone, dirve what you like and like it no big deal who can out run what, cause i have an 1985 prelude that would blow a mustang out of the water, also the camro i have 85, 2.8 will move faster then a littler ricer, nothing aginst cars, but i own a Niaasn sentra with a H22 that will take anything ya'll going cry about having, ricers are the shit man, i've owned 3, so al you guys wit big motor's fuck off grow up, anything could take your mucle cars.
(Editor's note: Yet another person who doesn't know what "rice" actually means...)
|Adam, first of all, your Mad tite Sentra with H22 isnt "the shit". And oh, an H22 in a sentra, nice try. Let me see some proof..thats right you dont have any. Honda engine in a nissan, wow clever..not. You all still come on here throwing out "i smoke V8's or 4 cylinders", stupid claims. And your 1985 Prelude will blow the mustang out of the water?? Which Mustang are we talking about? V-6 i hope, and does your 85 Prelude still run? Preludes were serious jokes untill the year 94 hit where they started to get atleast a little interesting. Ive owned a 92 as my daily driver before, it was a great reliable car ill give it that, but it was nowhere near as special as your making it sound. I hear stupid shitty claims all the time "ill smoke your GS-T with my Stock Prelude" by no knowledge doosh bags fresh from watching the Fast and the Furious...hahaha..what is funny is how it was me and a lude side by side at a traffic light with my lane turning into a one way lane..and the doosh bag wanted to run, with no fear, i easily put 6-8 cars stock on him. Preludes are nowhere near special, and to talk shit about V8's when you own a lude, that is pretty shameful. I have yet to see a prelude with my own eyes take on Modded V8's and "smoke" them. If you want to argue, atleast come up with a better car..like a 94 lude atleast. The guy on here running 13's with his lude, nothing but respect from me. Some of you guys should actually get away from your computer and mod your honda, instead of talking shit when all you have is an intake & muffler on your car. Like ive said before, every car can be made "fast", its all about the driver/owner/tuner. Bench racing here on this page is gonna get you nowhere but "smoked" on actual roads. And you wanna know why many V8 guys talk shit about Honda's, a prefect reason why, take a look of about 20-30 idiots who replied on this page bash on much superrior cars calling certain domestics or imports slow. Your honda's have some potential, use it, dont abuse it. If you cant back your shit talk up, dont waste any more of this pages space. I doubt the creater of the page wants to put up with any more shit being said & i dont blame him. To all no knowledge shitheads..do some research on what is a car, what makes it run, how it gets power..and all the beginners shit. Than when you own a car capable of running good times, talk all the shit you want. Dont let me hear you say "I smoke V8's with my mid 17 second honda".|
|Farooq, yet another example of an "idiot, or to better define as a no knowledge doosh bag. Again were comparing "stock" cars against MaD TitE Ford Grand Tourismos...lame example very lame. How would you like to see your 2001 Lingenfelter Corvette 427 TT get "sucked up" by a heavily modded Geo Metro. If i was the page creator, i would start rejecting stupid idiotic moronic comments like these and ban the ip so no more stupidity is ever posted again by the same person.|
|Wow, after reading most of the replies, i can only say most of the idiots that replied either have no knowledge about cars, or just want to spit out "imports suck" "Domestics suck" Bullshit. Why dont you provide us with accurate and intelligent reasons than just to say my V8 or my 4 cylinder will smoke you. There is a specific purpose for every car. Lets get the facts straight atleast. How many cars actually stay stock?? Not many, so for that reasoning there are advantages and disadvantages for modifying a 4 banger & a V8. Reading through this awefully long page, ive noticed how most of you claim your car "stock" is faster than someone elses. Simple Fact, who gives a shit. Worry about modding the thing, because no matter how many ponies your so called "fast car" puts out, there will always be someone faster and waiting to whoop your ass and yur not gonna whoop everyones ass with your Stock "Sports/Race car". I own a DSM (1998 Mitsubishi Eclipse GS-T). Before i go any further, i would like to let most of you no knowledge high school kids, or illitirate doosh bags know , that i own a Domestic. A DSM (Eclipse/Talon/Laser (Diamond Star Motors), were built in a factory in Illinois and they are Domestics. Yes the Engine is japanse (4G63 2.0 L Turbo 4 Cylinder Engine), Its one of the most potential and powerfull powerplant's ever. Go over to www.dsmtuners.com, www.machv.com, www.roadraceengineering.com, and yull learn a little bit about the car if you seem to care. Fastest DSM on stock chasis is running in the 7's, and that is John Shepard (Eagle Talon), many of u might have heard of him. If you ever go to something called "track" which i doubt most of u go to, including the idiots who own Hondas and V8's, youll learn when your at the track, you dont care if its a v8 or a 4 cylinder. There are people with the fastest V8's giving major respect to DSM's. My car came with 210 Horsepower @ 3000 RPM with 214 lb/ft of torque stock (runs high 14's). There are Advantages of a turbo car identical to a V8, though different flavor. Turbo cars will react extremely well to Mods just like a V8 would, im not saying as good, but fairly close. Now before all of you with Honda's throw the silly claim " Shit dude i can throw a turbo on my car just like you", i want you to learn a little something. Your engines are high compression engines which mean in order to run high boost youll have to do some engine work (so id say ull be running like 4 lb's of boost with your turbo). My Engine was meant to be turbocharged (4G63) and its low compression, i can run up to 18 Lb on the Stock T-25 Turbo and even more (30 LBS) on a upgraded turbo. You honda boys throwing out ridiculous claims have to understand that V8's will always make more power, dont ever say that a Civic can make more power, no it cant. Like i said and ill say it again, its all about how you mod your car. There will always be someone out there faster, the whole point is to be "competetive", itll earn you respect. Not every Import or Domestic is slow. I have major taste in cars, i like some imports & some Domestics. It seems to me most of you have some "racial" problems when it comes to defending a car. Yes Honda's are one of the most reliable cars ever produced, and some cars like the S2000 should definitely earn some respect. It seems to me this page is more about V8's VS Civic's than Imports VS Domestic. I can think of many Imports right now (MK lll & MK IV Toyota Supra Turbo & TT, SKyline, 3000GT VR-4, Ferrari, WRX STI, EVO 8) that can hand many V8's ass flat out. I dont know what you peoples definition of rice is but the term is being thrown out so much, that most of u are just kind of passing it on when u dont even know what the correct definition means. Every Import is considered "Rice", so even if u own a 800 HP Supra or a 1000 HP Skyline, you still own "RICE". A person with a 4 door Civic, with Euro's, 5" Tips, GTR WIngs, with nothing under the hood=just plain stupid. . And i guarentee you, walk up to one of them and ask them anything about cars, they wont know, even the simplest things about them. Hell, i bet they dont even know where the oil cap is located. Now if u ask them anything about Body kits, or wings, theyll speak fast and try to pretend they know about cars. I can speak alot more and go on, but the bottom line is, every car that runs good times should earn respect. When it comes to running good times, there are all kinds of cars 4 cylinders, 6 cylinders, 8 cylinders, etc..running all kinds of times. Agreed, a V8 engine will definitely make alot of power, but remember, a 4 Cylinder running 7's is running those times for a reason. Not because his car is slow, or inferrior to V8, basically because his car is "faster". Its all about who is faster, not who has the bigger engine. Running good times requires alot of tuning, skill, $$$, etc, no matter what car you own. I respect all kinds of cars that can be serious street cars, track cars, drift, etc.
Im currently running a 12.8@117 MPH, and i have barely put $$$ in this car. Simple mods like 3" Catback Exhaust, 3" downpipe, HKS Blow Off valve, Manual Boost controller, can easily put this car in the 13's. ANd with a bigger turbo, its a dream come true. The fastest time for a "stock Turbo" DSM is 11.6 on a 14B turbo (1G DSM 90-94).
All Im saying is look around you, alot of cars have great potential, its all about the driver/owner/tuner.
(Editor's note: Excellant comment!)
|my honda will beat any vette, mustang, camaro you can bring
(Editor's note: You can't say that. Not because it's a Honda, but because the other car can always be built to another level higher then yours.)
|im SO SICK of ricers im not talkin honda owners huge wing, fart can, FAKE PUSSY front mount "intake" that looks like garbage anyone who makes a honda ACTUALLY faster not just "ITTLE SPANK YOUR MUSTANG FUCK YOU" is cool, anyone who talks like that is just plain stupid and probably put an intake on it, upped the fuel pressure and stuck a fart can and euros on it fuck you all eat my shit you make honda one of my most HATED cars not because youre all so stupid and have such shitty taste|
|This comment is to steve since ive already posted about my car. Steve is just lying and pretending that he say a has an R-34 Skyline but there are none in the country for sale for 30,000 and then to say that you have 1,000 hp in for that price is just bullshit. A baseprice for a Skyline R-34 if you are IN Japan when you buy it is right around $20,000 american. To buy one here that is already street legal its about 90-125k. I HAVE LOOKED THIS UP. They have stock 277hp. Once you buy the car there you need to get it shipped which is quite expensive and then get it sent to this company is Cal. called Motorwrex or something like that for legallization. Once again that costs more money. Going from 277hp all the way to 1,000 and still having ur axles not fall off and have the car not blow up it will cost you a bunch more money then $30,000. Skylines are very expensive because everyone wants one. So if you wanna lie about it at least claim its an R-32 GTR because you can get those already in the states and legallized for $8,000. Once again I have dont research about this because i hope to own one someday. Also i dont know about other states but in Illinois 998whp is the legal limit so it might not be legal either if u did have. I tell the truth about my cars.
low 13 sec Prelude (NOT RICE)
(Editor's note: Does it really matter anymore?)
|I have 6 1986 RX-7 all have either a 327, 350, or a 396 you may not believe this is possible but, i go to Great lakes dragaway every saturday pretty much... i would like one of you honda people to come up so i can race for pink slips, and then i'd sell the car and buy a good classic like, fuck, i'd just park the piece of shit on the railroad tracks and let the fucking train hit it, and then make a website
(Editor's note: I've seen many RX-7s with V8 swaps. Ignoring the fact that it totally violates the car, some swaps are done well, some are average and some are very poorly done. But if you seem so hostile to the RX-7, why do you own 6 of them?)
|my uncles just bought a 2003 subaru impreza wrx sti with prodrive kit fitted do you know what prodrive kit means lower suspension bigger wheels twin turbo atmospheric dumpvalve oh and that important little superchip that makes it do 190mph and 7 miles to the gallon oh and not to mention the i/c spray that sprays cool water onto the intercooler gives the same outcome as nitrous we were goin down this road in britain called the m6 when we got to a toll we put the money in and the gate wouldnt open and because the car is so low my uncle couldnt get out (doesnt help with bucket seats) so at this point people are behind using that annoying thing called a horn the barrier rises my uncle drops the clutch so much g force you are forced back in youre seat 40 50 60 70 80 90 100 110 120 130 140 in about 10 seconds this car is 570 bhp runs 1/4 quarter mile in 11 secs without prodrive havent tried with yeah the car does 0-60 in about 3 secs its an amazing car i love it it'd demolish anything put against it so far hes raced a subaru impreza police version a ferrai modena and battered them both i want one so bed so anyone that wants a race theres no point might as well just hand me the money now|
|Ha lmao your such a douchebag...oo ime cool im claiming a car that i dream about...1 werd..RICE BURNEr
(Editor's note: Huh?)
|yoo..i drive in a Nissan Skylline R-34, and ive never been beaten my a muscle car..my cars got a 1000hp and i only spend 30,000 on everything (including the car)...i dont think i can call a 1000HP skyline "RICE" if u have a mustang that can beat that let me no.|
|Aaron, don't you think it's time you kill this? I mean, it's gonna go on forever. It's a pissing match you see on many forums online and will never end. Ricers think they have fast cars, but they don't. People who defend being a ricer are stupid. They think it refers to any import, of course being referred to by anyone with any other car. Well, they're misinformed. A ricer is someone with a Civic, Neon, Jetta, etc with a wing and a bodykit and sometimes a 'cold air intake' [that usually is taking in warmer air than the stock intake was]. They think their car is a race car and they can beat anyone on the road. Some are stupid enough to rev at cars at a light when there is a cop behind them (from what I've witnessed). Please kill this.|
|what E.T. does a honda civic run in an 1/8 mile track?
what are E.T.' s of other imports such as nissan hardbodys,240sx,mitsubishi eclipse and what are your mods?
(Editor's note: At the track, most of the Civics I see are high 17s, low 18s stock. Many of the ricers are much slower due to all the crap they put on their cars.)
|Ricers have penis envy, end of story. They meet cars on the road with bigger engines, and they feel they need to prove themselves, and defend their lack-their-of. penis envy.|
|There's a recent Popular Mechanics article which has a Ford Focus modified to 600+ hp that stayed on par in performace runs with a Lamborghini Murciellago (sp?), and even out-handled it. I gotta agree about your statement about ricer becoming mainstream media culture. It's sad.|
|To clear something up for the "anonymous" guy. OHC engines are by no means "new" technology. Let's look at the 1929 Duesenberg Model J! It was equipped with a DOHC supercharged straight 8 engine with a 420 cid (6.9 L to those who need the conversion). The car's permormance was quite well with a 0-100 mph time of 17 seconds, and a top speed of 150 mph. The car also weighed in at 5,280 lbs! Also, Mazda's rotory engine was designed by a German guy named Dr. Felix Wankel his first functional rotory engine was built in February of 1957. You can read about Dr. Wankel at http://www.monito.com/wankel/dr-wankel.html. (Editor's note: Actually, that's wrong. The rotary that Mazda used was actually a design that Felix Wankel rejected because it was not a "perfect" rotary motion. So while Wankel technically did design it, it was not his intention for this design to become his "actual" engine. The problem with his other engine is that not only did the rotors rotate, but the housings as well. The rotors did not orbit like they do in the rotary we all know and love, the housings rotated around them at half speed...Major issues with this engine were sealing, fueling, and the fact that you had to overhaul the engine to change spark plugs).|
|Some Ricers are good! I have the 1994 Honda Prelude that has 6 grand in performance parts in it and ive dropped 2 sec's off my 1/4 mile!!! i went from 15.1 stock to 13.0 now. i have intakes, header, exhaust, fuel pump, injectors, fuel rail, lightened flywheel, stage 2 clutch, rebuilt trans, JDM pistons, JDM rings, cam gears, VAFC 2 (VTEC air fuel controller), New sticky tires, Eibach sportline lowering springs, KYB GR-2 struts, bosch platinum plugs, underdrive pulleys, and a ported intake manifold. im going from stock 190 horsepower to over 300!!! thats not bad out of a "ricer." and now its ready for a turbo so as soon as that goes on ill be in the 11's and then all i need to do is put a rear-wheel drive kit on it. after that i will start to work on the body....the body looks like shit. i have NOTHING visual on it right now. i have scratches all over it, the bumper has holes it, its a couple different colors of red but i dont care. fuck looks i wanna go fast. i do go fast cuz my car can now beat corvettes, porsches, and other expensive cars. oh yea....if anyone thinks my other stuff is gonna break think again cuz i got a new, cooling system, suspension, drivetrain, engine, basically a new car. so ill race any of ur cars that wanna challenge me. sure ill lose but im not all whinny when i do i just say "damn thats a nice car!!!" i respect cars that go fast. no matter wat it is.
(Editor's note: Your car is not rice.)
|Just wanna say, not every import is a honda, honda sucks, but toyota dosent!!
(Editor's note: Wow, another well formed an intelligently expressed opinion...)
|ha ha ha i have a 77' old toronado w/ a 403 V8 :D i love burning the little ricers that think they can beat my land yaught :D :D|
|Fart Cans everywhere I look. Stickers make you fast! Cut your springs and your car will be low and peform like a real race car! Hey look my honda has a 5 speed, that means its fast! I bought a Honda for $500 cause I work at a MCJob all day and can't afford a real car. But if I spend $2000 in body kits, $300 on a hot air tube, $250 on a chip that does nothing, $300 on a shopping cart handle errr... I mean wing. $600 in wheels and $500 for low profile tires. $ 300 for a fart can. $ 5000 later I have a honda that makes a lot of noise, rides like shit and makes me look like a retard, maybe I should have bought a Camero or something cool with 5k. Oh well, look at all the attention that I'm getting from people who love my Honda! And after I horse the shit out of my 4 banger for 2 years, and its starts breaking down and falling apart from my abusing it thinking its fast, I can sell it for $200 to someone. I took my honda to a hod rod get together and they told me I couldnt line up with those crappy 60's and 70's muscle cars.... you know the type, they have custom show car paints jobs. Polished engines 400 ci or bigger, true duel custom exhaust. They use traction bars instead of wings, now thats just silly. How dare they say I'm not a hot rod!|
|I THINK THAT IMPORTS ARE BAD ASS CAUSE THE GUYS GET ALL THE GIRLS. BUT WAIT A MINUTE GIRLS CAN KICK SOME ASS SO I JUST WANT TO SAY GIRLS CAN WHIP BOYS ASS. SO WATCH OUT BOYS GIRLS ARE GOING !!!!!!!!! ASK MY BOYFRIEND I BEAT HIM BUT THAT WAS LUCK!!!!!!!!!!! SO CULATERZ HATERZ
(Editor's note: Look at your keyboard. Below the ESC key, under the tilde, and under the TAB key is a key marked CAPS LOCK. Learn to use it. Also, anyone to buys/builds a car to attract the opposite sex is truly pathetic.)
|Alright first off I wanna agree that high rev tuners is a very gay show and the chicks on there are hired upon biggest breasts. And I will also agree that Hondas are slow and who in their right mind would take the time and effort into building one, but on the other hand if you play your cards right and know what your doing you can actually make those little cars pretty quick. We've beat a few domestics.... but like I said you need alot of time and know how, anyone can throw 10K into a Mustang, but can they have the bragging rights that a 1.8L honda has? No because they didnt put as much effort into it.. But I will also add this I am currently building my first car, and its a 92 Integra, and man o man is it a pain in the ass, and quit frankly Im losing my patients, my next car is ganna have some balls out of the factory, too much damn thought and money, but I do give it up for those Honda fans that can run 10sec or faster|
|Rice burners suck and you all know it, your just to cheap to put money into a real car. Ricers are pieces of crap made for gas mileage not racing, GET REAL!!
(Editor's note: It appears that this person doesn't know the definition of "ricer")
|and everybody else in this website , your just wasting your time saying the same thing the other person just said . I must admitt the first 4 or 5 replies where pretty funny but it it gets tighring after a time . as for the guy who I think doesnt even knows how to spell his name . go to school learn how to spell a few words then come back and make your reply , with atleast a few words people not animals can understand|
|Ill piss all over any of you ricer i make a habit of beatting you guys lt me tell you a story....One night i was drving home from the mall and i had my packed with people i was drviing my 99 VW Jetta 2.0....I was stopped at the light and a Riced out Cav can up on my left and a Riced out Civic of right u think they were a team or something and they were alone in their cars and the reved the lawnmowers at me and i like WTF i blasted my engine back at them (Im a lil rice to but i only have an cold air intake but thats cuz i just got the car and that was my first mod and looks wise im all stock on the outside other then tinted tailights) so anyway the light turned green and i was gone i beat these kids 3 times in like 3 min everytime we come to a light they would wanna race and I would piss on them every time....and not to metion my car is a lil fucked up my car was having trans problems and it redlines for like 6 seconds when you floor it in 1st and 2nd gear and i still managed to piss all over these lil kids and to drop more word of knowlegde A huge spoiler hanging of your trunk on a front wheel drive car is not good not only does your gas milage go down the shitter but get this YOU DONT GO ANY FASTER IT SLOWS YOU DOWN RETARDS!!! Oh yea by the way ALTEZZA ARE GAY TOO!!!|
|Ok, here's how it is. EITHER one can be good. Assholes come in all shapes and sizes, domestic guys, import guys. I've seen just as many slow domestics as I have slow imports. I know of a guy (I actually just spoke to him tonight) who is running 10.9 on a honda engine..a 1.6L turbocharged SINGLE OVERHEAD CAM engine. That does not represent all honda engines..but it shows what can be done. And no, he does not have anywhere close to 50k in it. Hell, he has less than 15k tied up into it (this is the stock engine in that year hatch). Likewise, I've seen some BADASS domestic cars that I give mad respect to. If it's fast, it's good in my book. I think a Supercharged 00' Mustang with slicks is just as respectable as a 00' civic with slicks...if they're fast. Domestics are here to stay in my opinion, but either way..there's always going to be fast cars, slow cars, and ugly cars..and they don't all come from one car company, or one country. Fast is fast. Who gives a damn what the car is labeled if it can put a whooping down on every car on the block? As for the show, I've seen it once, it was stupid. Their tech portion of the show was going over how to install a CF hood and altezza tails on a ford focus..gimme a break. Later guys.|
|my buddy has a 72 chevy nova that is pushing the boundries with a earthquakeing 18 hundred bhp and is the fastest car i have seen in mn it has beaten a 69 mustang a lambo with direct port nos and a prche carrea with some very expensive mods so stop driving thos out the ceral box cars and got some of the muscle
(Editor's note: Has spelling, grammer and punctuation died?)
|ill post later to update on my car which just got a huge performance boost but T-Mac u are full of shit...no car will EVER run 7.08 @ 98mph...my cars stock speed is 15.1 @ 98 mph. if u can find a way to explain that then by all means try but that is the dumbest thing that i have ever heard....learn about cars before u open ur big mouth!|
|first of all a four cylinder honda/acura could make a lot of power bigger is not always better engine wise. Some of you guys need to stop refering to import drivers as ricers because not all of them are 30% of import drivers are tuners who know how to tune a car and make it fast. Oh yeah plus a mustang or some big engine american car weighs about 3200lb but a acura integra only weighs about 2500 plus you could always make the car lighter with modifications. I have a mitsubishi eclipse that makes 550hp and runs in the mid elevens so a japanese car can run just as fast as a friggin mustang but both types are o.k. ps suck my dick if ya hate imports and lick my nuts if ya hate stangs.|
|MOST JAPANESE CARS SUCK ASS, IN MY OPINON. BUT IM MORE OF A SPORTBIKE GUY. SO TO THOSE RICERS WHO WANT A FAST IMPORT, GET A CROTCH ROCKET!!|
|i have nothing against imports. some cars, such as my friends mazda 6, are bad ass. i just hate these stupid kids getting cars, no matter what make, what year, import or domestic, and trying to "hook" them up. they put rims on old P.O.S. that are worth more than the car itself, put a stereo system in it that sounds like its going to rattle the car to pieces, attach a stupid wing to the back and almost always that i see, a body kit that doesnt even match the color of the car, and think that there the shit!! what are we teaching these kids today!!|
|WTF is wrong with these shit heads damn why waste your cash on a gay ass import that is sloowwwww as shit. ok whats up with the fags puttin whellie bars on there FROUNT WHEEL DRIVE CARS!! mabey there just used to puttin bull shit things that dont serve a purpose....
(Editor's note: Just when I think that I've heard the stupidest reply ever to this post....something like this gets submitted).
|The real truth is that no matter what in import does its going to cost twice as much to beat a muscle car. They come faster stock and are cheaper to modify. I personally bought a 1987 iroc camaro body for 1000 with the motor and trany out of it. I put $7000 in to the car and can pull 11:37 on slicks. And i run on 91 octane while getting 16 miles to the gallon. Dont get me wrong there are some bad ass imports out there my friend has a honda that runs 12s. but hes already ar 20k into it. The fact is that its chepare to get a car with a biggger motor. But to all those people who think that they hav a bad ass import and want to talk shit just bull up to any big block all motor muscle car and get your ass handed to you in a heart beat|
|u guys its not all about speed the reason why ricers do what they do spend all the money the spend is to make their cars look different from everybody else, now putting a big airplane looking wing on a 81 honda hatchback is stupid and should be a crime but hey its their money let them do what ever they want with it
(Editor's note: If they want to be different, then why do they all do the same things to their cars?)
|finally fuckin someone agrees with me ,all the gay ass honda civics , fucking 400 dallor cars with 5,000 dollars worth of body parts fart cannons and thoses laser shit at the bottom of it , it is gay.stop trying to be like 2 fast 2 ferious you gay ass fuckers who say crap like waz up hommie g dog well fuck guys if you say shit like that
(Editor's note: Why is it that every moron who replies must use "gay" as their only insult? Vocabulary, children. Learn words. Make yourselves sound like something other then a 12 year old who rides the short bus to school...)
|WOW LOOK AT YOU PEOPLE GO! well i figured why the hell not leave my 2 cents for this forum. first of all corbin, you know exactly what you are talking about, and todd....well it is sad when you spend more money on your mods for your car then the car is worth. but hey that is what you rice burners want to do that that is cool. now i am a domestic lover through and through but i have seen some fast imports in my life and most being from nissan (formally datsun which made mostly performance cars hence why they are still fast cars today). but it is sad when a kid spends $70k on his car and i spend $500 on mine and by the time hes in 3rd im going into 2nd and blowing him away. and i dont even have that big of an engine. i have the 3.8 that is supercharged in my 00 impala. the key is when going for performance is to look for something that is reliable yes, but also is ment for higher speeds. that lil civic hatch is not ment to go over 200 miles an hour. you will eventually have problems with your frame if you keep that up. but hey at least people still are workin on cars and thinkin that they are the fastest shit in the world. after all, how else do you make up for self confidence and dignity? and by the way, the editors note on PIMP's comment is 100% correct.|
|Whoever would spend money to buy a civic to begin with is beyond me. They are pieces of dime-a-dozen shit that are worth even less after 20gs worth of mods. Sadly the days of the muscle cars are over. Back then, cars were made to last and they looked and sounded damn sexy stock, without all these bullshit mods people put into their shitboxes today. Mind you, there are many respectable imports to speak of, one of which is my personal favorite, the Nissan Skyline, which looks very attractive and has the guts under the hood to prove its not all about looks. If people would spend less on supping up their shitbox civics and cavaliers and decking 10-15 year old cars out with 18' of bling maybe they would b able to afford a decent car that doesnt need to spend 2 months in a garage and 15gs to go over 70 mph.|
|look here all these imports are annoying as crap this stupid kids down here at this commuter lot me and my dad go to have the dumbest looking cars in the world. look the hondas come in making all this damn nois aint doing nothing fake carbon fiber do you realy need to spend 2000$ on a $1500 car and as that retard PIMP said put 70K into an import why and spank a Camaro? Must be a camaro that has a v-6 with only to plugs working. look my dad has a 69 camaro and the lot we go to in fredricksburg VA the import guy look like they got scared when they heard it all it has is $3000-4500 motor 406 unmuffled power 7.08@98mph street car still insured tags all that with full interior no juice no T-brake (dumb import guys dont even know what that is) but we went there my dad hit it one time took the motor to 1500rpm a guy ran over to the car and told us to put the car back on the trailer talking about we went over 15mph what it is not that fast damn. the import guys wouldnt stop looking at us like it was a Bently with rims and naked hoes in the back and was passing out money everyone was looking no one down their can beat us and i be there soon with a 71 torino GT want know import guys|
|i was given a 1993 mazda mx-3 (1.6 liter) approx. four years ago, i drive it 95 miles everyday @ around 75-80mph on the straight aways, in my posession, the only thing that has failed on it was a exhaust leak at the resonator (last week), i went to meineke (owned by inlaws), and they put me a new exhaust, hi flow cat and 2.25 all the way to a flowmaster with a 2.25 (chrome) tip coming out the back (not a coffee can muffler), i forced them to take 150 dollars (they are very nice people), when i drove away it was noticably louder when i exceeded 4kRpm (i can live with it though), all i care to do is drive fast, not race, and fast to me is 75-95mph (in light traffic), i always keep my engine tuned up, the outside of the car is relatively decent, dirty as hell, but decent, i have plans to patent an air filter design in which i dont have to maintain/touch but once a year (saying goodbye to paper, never went to an a.k.a. k&n set up either), i just want my 80 hp (60 @ the wheels, hah hah) engine to breath in and out with ease while getting 35mpg (it still does @ 177k miles), and maybe get washed once a month if i have time, does this make me rice material???just checking...|
|Alright, i agree with the fact that front wheel drive might not be the best for racing but as soon as the end of summer comes by i will have a 1994 honda prelude VTEC with a full rebuilt motor running on 25 psi. meaning i will be around 11 flat 1/4 mile with just rebuilt engine, turbo, headers, exhaust, intake, and a new clutch...once i get into putting a lot more of the little things on after that i will be pulling in the 10's. granted my tourque will only be like 250-275 my hp will be pushing 400. as is right now with JUST clutch, header and exhaust im pulling in the low 14's. a lot of times its not about the car its the driver. i can beat a fucking viper if the viper doesnt know how to drive. all these people who think their car is fast and shit learn to drive first. i hear shit about people with 350 hp civics and shit that still run 13's. its all the driver. i am confident that i can take cars that are V8's based on the fact that most of them cant drive for shit. Mustang GT's are no problem for me. camaros dont stand a chance. granted its not that quick yet i dont care. i havent done anything to the body of my car. even those civics and shit cant become actually sports cars. its economy and deal with it. sports cars have the soul of a sports cars. if a car has under 140 hp stock wat the hell do u expect from it. it means DONT FUCKING RACE! buy something meant to go fast. If u wanna get a car to race with get one that looks sporty, has the soul of a sports car, and has some features thatmake it capable of going fast. civics dont count. V6 mustangs dont count hell GT mustangs dont really count. if u need a mustang and u wanna race get a fucking cobra. and imports can be a lot faster then u people think. i seen a CRX with a stock motor just bored out run low 9's. and my buddy has one with 170 hp. stock is 109. he didnt spend that much money. ive personally seen a crx SMOKE a Saleen mustang by at least 5-6 cars. and the saleen was also modified. yes american cars have advantages but i love smoking american car assholes who think just cuz im 2.2 liters and a 4 banger that they are god. remember i also have VTEC which helps and i can actually drive very well. im only 16 years old and love to see the look on these 24 yr old peoples face in an american car when i smoke them. and as soon as my car is turbo there is nothing stock that will beat me. and all it will cost is 8 grand. u dump 8 g's in a civic good luck running 14's....i LOVE jap cars but only the ones worth looking at. I get so much street credibility even tho i only have wat i previously mentioned cuz my car is pretty damn quick. im open to any race. come find me in near chicago and lets race. PEACE|
|lets just say why did chevy stop making camaros if there so good like you american car lovers all of say. i know because camaros are getting out of style that means they suck and to all the white boys inspired by the movies fast and furious part 1 and 2 dont even try youll just be a ricer meaning people that are just all style no speed and are giving azns real tuners non white people a bad name so fuck off stick wit yer outta style american car pieces of shit besides wut a import might lack in speed makes up in handling not like american cars good only for going staight. jack fuck u its all about rap not like that hilly billy red neck shit you call country music that u listen to and tell me this why dont country top da charts coz they suck like yer american cars why even drive if your car is only good for straight lines.
Editor's note: I've said it before and I'll say it again: this is NOT about import vs. domestic nor is it about Asian culture. Get over it.)
|hmmmm the downfall of society rap music and ricers.......................i think we all know the lifestyle rap music preaches about.............being lazy yet being rich i guess ricers just dont want to work hard for a nice car, they'd rather let their state-aid pay for a new wing for their honda LOL gee, think about this, i'm 20 years old, worked 2 jobs and completed college last year and just bought a new Corvette if I can do this, why cant anyone else, especially those who claim a "ricer" is what they can afford get off your lazy asses and work, then you afford nice things THIS IS WHAT IS WRONG WITH TODAYS YOUTH thank you|
|All i have to say is that, the replacement for displacement is a supercharger...unless that is of course that you car doesnt have enough power to run one propperly? but thats what turbos are for. I have a 2000 Pontiac Grand Prix GTP, and yes i have a supercharger and yes i run a 13 wich isnt that bad with a 3.8L engine and it all cost me the whopping price of $1300 ;) ..... there is no need for aluminum wings on a honda civic...there is no need for aluminum wings on any FWD car..ohh well do what u want i'm not here to diss ne1just know i'll alway be here to race|
|I tottaly agree with what a lot of you are saying and i am a kid looking for a car myself it is so stupid when you see these gay kids putting 10 thousand dollars into 3 thousand dollar car and then put some "nos" which will make their civic hit 30 mph if your going to spend the money and you want to be hot shit then you gotta starts out with something that you can actually get some horsepower and torque out of so then when the guy with his girlfriend and his civic or some gay car like a focus which he put 10g's into it you can blows his doors off i will admit some of the ricers look ok today but you have to put so much money to get like 200 hp out of them so they can be running in the 15's! if you are going to spend the money adn you want a fast car you need to start out with something like a old muscle car or stang or comaro or some other car that is moderatly cost and has some ponys|
|I own a WRX and I have been tuning and upgrading it for about 6 months now, about 1,500 dollars later and i'm running really nice times. It's a 4 cyl turbo 2.0 L boxer for those who don't know. I eat v-8 cars all the time, at the track and on the street, modded or stock take your pick. You have to get this crap outta ur minds that 4cyl are always slower. Oh some one said earlier that "fart tubes" hurt your hp??? i hope he wasn't talking about turbocharged cars as well cause he's a fucking idiot if he was. Oh, i can also drive my car 12 months outta the year in illinois unlike all your trans ams and mustangs.|
|OK I just found this web site and read through it. well all i got to say is i would really like to see any of you ricers out there beet my Barracuda, because i will eat you alive.
(Editor's note: While it is impossible to know for sure exactly what model Barracuda a person would have to "beet", I found this quote in an online AutoSpeed article:
"With 375hp on tap, the 440 cUd was able to produce 14.1 second quarter mile times... but by no means should you try to brake and corner at anything but slow cruising speeds! "
A '93+ RX-7 will beat that stock, and also brake and turn. An '86-'92 RX-7 with an exhaust would also run faster in the 1/4. And that's on a 1/3 litre engine.)
|Hell, to all the people who have said over and over again that the reason why "ricers" buy the civics and acuras and all that other shit is because they are cheap, reliable and easy to fix..shut the F#uck up. Most of those ricers buy them because they think they'll look cool once you buy and install a body kit and clear tails and rear wings that look like my grampa's TV antenna. Some look decent, but most of them make me barf everytime i see them. Heck. If i they were smart, they would save up all that money and buy a supercharger or turbo. I mean, they are allready spending as much on those gay acccesories as they would on F.I. . But, most of them have an I.Q. in the double digits. What is the first things they do, body kit or they spend a shit load of money on rims or performance upgraders that will only gain the car about 10-15 horsepower max; if not less than that. I mean, who the hell do you expect to beat with a only 10 horsepower gain over a stock economy car? Let see, it looks like i will have to give an example of what i am talking about. You buy a 95 civic for..let say $3500, you spend another $600 on performance upgraders and another $1000 on the bodykit and/or paint. You buy an clear tails for $250 and an antenna looking wing for $150. Oh, and those huge tachs that have no purpose when you allready have one. I mean, unless your vision is not that great and you really need it a foot away from your face. another $150 bucks. Lets not forget about all the stickers and APC seats and NOS steeringwheel covers and NOS floor mats ,,, and heck i'll just stop there and won't add them in. So the total comes out to $5650. That is $56 hundred for a car that that can bearly do break 15s, if lucky. Lets see, for that amount of money you can buy a lot of cars that can go way faster than that riced out civic. I could type a big list so I won't even bother. Some of these ricers could out handle some of these cars, but when was the last time you saw these them at the track competing or doing testing to see who's car handles better. Never. Most of the time they are trying to drag race. Another reason why I dislike the hondas is because of the shity torque. You can talk horsepower all you want but if you have shity torque then you have a shity dragger. To all of you who only think about horses, think again. Torque gets things moving and horsepower is what keeps you moving . A lot of sites have info on torque vs horsepower. Ricers inform your mind first before you go out and waste your money.|
|First off joey, the supra he is talking about is the mark 4 which was made 1992.7-1998, the supra i have is a 1986.5-1992.5 which is a mark 3 or 3rd generation, my cousin has a '85 which is a celica supra, the second gen. And hardcore3 sorry but acura's arent imports, there american car company, dont matter what or who told you, just say it with me american car!!! Zodicus, there is replacemnet its called forced induction, say it with me forced induction!! yes very good. But what i think is funny all the american cars around here with stickers all over them and there fake cowl hoods, or glue on hood vents, non functional by the way, any from 4.6-5.0, 5.7 all are worthless compared to a inline 6 turbo, you all say there is no replacement for displacement, think again. I want every one that reads this post to go to www.racingflix.com, sign up and find the video of a civic racing a viper, i hate civics but just watch the video and see the civic hang right next to the viper!! And please when you guys talk about rice, rice is the trying to look cool and fast with an incredibly slow car, and not all imports are 4 cylinder front wheel drive, look at nissan 300zx twin turbo v6 rear drive, nissan 350z v6 rear drive, infinity g35 v6 rear drive, 280zx rear drive, nissan skyline 2.6twinturbo l6 awd, mitsu 3000gt vr4 v6twin turbo vacarious realtime 4 wheel drive, toyota supra l6twin turbo rear lsd, nissan silvia s15 rear drive. So please not all imports are front wheel drive 4 bangers. Outty|
|I just wanted to point out the technology differences between Domestics and Imports. My main arguement about domestics is the fact that they still use outdated technology. I would have a lot more respect for Camaros and Mustangs if they were to have overhead cam engines, independant rear suspension, etc. Now comparing domestics to imports, I once looked up the numbers on a 93 Mazda RX7 and compared them to a 2004 Corvette. The RX7 was better on the skidpad by .03Gs, 0-60 times were about the same between the two, and the Vette ran about .2 better in the quarter mile. Take into consideration that the RX7 is an 11 year old car, and that it has about 100 horsepower less than the Vette. Also it is only a 1.3 liter!! I have nothing against domestics, but imports have far better technology. The reason is that in Japan the government funds a lot of their automotive research. A good comparison would be if the US govt were to stop funding NASA and give the money to Ford and Chevy instead. Imagine what kind of cars we'd have then.|
|There is and never will be a replacement for displacement! for all of u with "fast" 4cyl race a car with a V-8 and similar upgrades and tell me what happens:)|
|well well well....look at what we have here. I just read a couple of posts with no grammar like they were 4 years old.....and they were on the ricer side of the fight....funny. A lot of bench racing is going on here, I would like to see a time slip or two. Oh and the 70g civic....I needed a laugh..thanks! I have about 8g in my 86 T/A.....11.67 1/4 mile. It's called torque! But you ricers know that doesn't exist in your cars. If there is any Uncle Ben in here that wants to run I will give you my adress just email me. I need to get something straight though....your Honda's have 1.6 liters whereas my bottle of Mountain Dew has 2 liters? wow! So I'll have more cyl pressure by shaking up my bottle than your 4 banger will when its hitting on all cylinders? Do you ricer idiots know the importance of cylinder pressure and how it effects what gas you use? No wait those v-tecs can also run on alcohol right? <----sarcasm......hate mail... I love it and i'm calling you out, so get back in your Mom's civic and run home before your curfew is up
(Editor's note: There's also significantly lack of spelling and ignorance on the domestic side as well...People are stupid.)
|Yes the show does suck. You see a million companies selling camshafts for honda and acura. But for the best imports, "toyota" ya cant find nothing. Oh by the way, i have a 1988 toyota supra, with 90,000 miles on rebuilt motor, with about, with minor work i have achieved 400rwhp 460rwtq with under 2600 dollars. Keep in mind they are 232 hp stock, and i have never had a problem with the car, ever so you who say that imoprts suck, you suck, with about a total of 3900 dollars from title to dyno, and still bet a svt mousestang, that ant bad.|
|You dont have to spend more money than a house to have a cool fast car. I know, I have one of each. Firebird formula 350 tpi set up for auto-x if anyone knows what that is. I have less than $8000 in the car total and I've outperformed every model porsche ever made, through the obstacle course. I'm building a ricer now 89 civic hatch. CRV block integra type r head and a gsr tranny. I was pulling ram air TA's from lights when testing. It should break the 13 second mark No turbo or nitrous 200hp at less than 1900 lbs. The project will be completed for under 7 g's. I do all the work myself, no mechanic will ever touch my cars. I love cars and thats all that really matters. If I had 70 or 80 g's to drop in a car I would by a viper and say f*#k the gas prices and I would get all the hole i wanted,.|
|have u ever heard of a little thing they call an engine swap and like ur 4 banger u can only swap another 4 banger well my focus i can swap a v8 yes its called a 302ci kit which turns your focus into a rear wheel drive mustang that will blow the pants off any ricer out there esp. my blowin, boared, strocked, ported and polished drag/ street legal focus that is pushin out 800 hp o and did i say i wasnt using nos?? and it runs high 8`s have a nice day and if u see me on the road wouldnt b a good idea to try and race me!!! and o u damn ricers leave it on the track!!!|
|jap cars do suck, i mean look americans are also retards for buying them. All jap cars are doing is putting americans out of bussines... buy american if u want gas guzling POWER that will last for at least 40 years, like all of the muscle cars buy jap if you want a shitty performance, and if you want your car to break down at 70 thousand miles like most hondas. 1968 yenko camaro stock (427) 425 hp 426 tourque 03 civic 100 hp and i dont even remeber the company mentioning turqe lol|
|oh know i got caught speeding by the fluff they gave me this lecture on how us youngsters should not be allowed to drive then after all there rambling on they ended up giving me a speeding fine £60 and 3 points on my license my insurance is going to go through the roof any one with views on car insurance should send me an email at " i dont give a damn . com"|
|The only thing driving the "Import Scene" is retarded movies, attention starved teen-boppers, and technically challenged "self proclaimed tuners" who think cosmetics = performance. Notice how light up windshield wiper knobs and flashing tire caps are now considered import performance items? My stock pickup has blown away every little rice ive met on the streets of detroit for the last 5 years. Fart cans are the best invention for road use since big stickers, makes it so easy to spot a retard. Ricers can go fuck themselves and their wannabe japanese bullshit. Why don't you dump ricer fucks go to Wyotech and get a real education on how to build a car rather than use Pep-Boys flyers and Fast & Furious movies to build your "ride".|
|Just saw a 98+ Acura Integra run 10.2's @ 142mph...4 cylinder baby! ! !
Rev Hard's Civic Hatch runs 9.6's...*cough* CIVIC *cough..* Is that FAMILY enough for ya??
Don't you think it's sad when a 5.0 mustang gets beat by a 01 Integra GS-R with just intake,header,exhaust, UNTUNED vtec controller, and UNTUNED skunk2 cam gears..? ;) ;)
(Editor's note: Any car can be made fast. I've seen a Gremlin run 9 seconds. Hell, I've seen a 14 second bar stool.)
|this just in---16.9@80mph is NOT FAST|
|it doesnt really matter what people think, when i get done with this here 99 cavelier ill race anyone, hell, right now all i have is a cold air intake and i still do. you can call then gay if you want to but well see whats sitting in the passenger seat.
(Editor's note: Air?)
|Hey folks, My 2 cents about the domestic/import debate. When we talk about fast cars, lets set the line at 12's or lower. Hardly any, if any, stock street cars hit the 12's. Alot of cars nowadays are getting faster, but I just don't see alot of imports really getting that much faster IN STOCK FORM. That is not to say they can't be modded much faster. However, has anyone bothered to see the advancements in domestic engine tech? I mean, DOHC motors, getting 25 mpg while pumping 350+ hp? That is personally right on par with import economy, in terms of power per gas consumed. The bottom line is that no one who drives a stock or nearly stock car is going to beat someone who has highly modified their machine. There is a point of diminishing returns, especially imports, as you can only pump out so much hp out of a 1.6l engine and front wheel drive. In terms of speed per dollar a rear wheel drive is the only way to go. And domestics are far from dying. Both my brother and I taught ourselves to build cars, and we are both under 20. You just have to look in magazines like Car-Craft, Hot-Rod, etc. and see that the market is far from dying. The import crowd is just more visible and numerous with their neon, spoilers, etc. As a last note, I just think the classic V8 is really cool. I grew up hearing about my dad's 1970 Dodge Charger w/440 6-pak, 4-on the floor. And you can't really mess with a 1969 Roadrunner w/426 Hemi and 4-spd, it is a 12 sec machine from the showroom floor. Can't really vouch for fuel economy :~), but 425 advertised hp (450+ is more correct) is really boss. Most important, I don't care if you drive a import or domestic, fast or slow, but I respect you when you get hands cut and dirty and when you have grease under your fingernails working on your machine. That is the true spirit of us car guys! If your car is fast and shiny but you just paid for it, you aren't in the same league as those of us who have sweat and bled to see fuel and fire.|
|Vuntry I was saying u are a prep cuz ur parents bought u all that shit and the way u talk but thats another story. Like i have said before i own a 1994 honda prelude with an H22a1 VTEC engine in it and i get a bunch of "street cred" when i go to hang out with people who know about cars. You know y? Cuz its unique... Before I was ripping on all domestic cars and i keep most statements and i made but old cars are good (60's-70's kinda cars) But new stangs look like shit and camaros are gone thank god. Cobras, Trans Am's, Grand Prix GTP's, and other cars like that are nice ass american cars. but america makes a bunch of shit cars too...HUMMER, AZTEK, RENDEZVOUS, and all those pieces of shit give american car companies a bad name. And as i was saying i own a jap "ricer" but its actually unique and its a sports car. Civic's BLOW MY ASS cuz they are too damn common and EVERYONE thinks that they look good and shit when they suck ass. Mustangs fall in that same category tho....they are everywhere.....i can drive for 30 mins and prob see 45 stangs. its pathetic. But some jap cars are damn good..... 350Z, G35 coupe, S2000, Sentra SE-R, almost any Nissan, Eclipses (gen 2), 3000gt, Skylines, Preludes (when they were made), GTI's, Supras (when made), RX-7's (when made), 240sx's (when made), and MX-5 miata's are just a few. Oh yea, the new V6 accord 6 speed is fast a fuck stock....and as we see more and more of those get "riced" out they will be damn nice cars. 240 hp with vtec stock is just crazy. but civics, focus', and other such economy cars are not sports cars. occasionally ill race one that can beat me but not very often and all i have is headers and exhaust so far. im rebuilding my engine for 25 psi and starting with a 15psi turbo that i get for free and i should be low 12's....i wanna see a civic take me then. yea right.|
|oh my god, this Random Thought was about a crappy TV show. you all seem to have forgotten that. the show is, in fact, crappy. I have seen it. it doesn't matter what car you drive or why you drive it, the show is crappy as hell, ok? if you have a 9 trillion horsepower civic, the show still makes love to goats for pleasure, that's how bad it is. banana squirell nutmeg purse. canoe circle toast floor noodle. those last two sentences were to prove that no one is ever going to see my post at the bottom of all this CRAP!|
|who cares about 5.0 or 1.1 it all depends on the power out put so quit yur bitching and make some more power and if lieters were so important every one would have 7.2s instead of 5.0 or why bother with the lieters and just go by the c.i. (cubic inches)/cc (cubic centimeters) and hay if u put enough money into a civic or something like it to make it go as fast as a lambo good for them for having that kind of cash so why do u bitch about it r u gelous just look at the car and breath and be amazed on his passion for their cars and dont rip on them just because they are making theitr own statements about theitr cars if anyone can sy what they want why cant they experss that why does every body have a mind to tell people what they can and cant do with there cars just let them experss their passiona as u can experss yours. have a nice day and if u dont like what i said u can just shove it cuz i dont care|
|Yeah i was just surfing the net when i saw this web! You know what you people out there who hate imports and think all ricers are assholes can turn your own words back around to yourself! Because i have a import car yes a HONDA CIVIC and i am planning on souping it up and soon! First i am doing my interior and then (i don't care what you think) i am planning on getting a body kit. I know alot of people who make fun of us ricers saying that we are stuck up and all this shit. HA HA yeah funny.. right on guys whatever.. You think were the ones stuck up.. we aren't the ones challenging to race because we think our cars are better then yours and we don't go around making fun of your car unless you make fun of ours first. And i agree with some people that did speak their mind, First were going to try to get the interior and the exterior to look good then were going under the hood. Now i am not one of those ricers who is going to have a spoiler on the back or underglow or a "fart cannon" Now i may think they are cool but i am not going to put it on this car. Oh and by the way my "ricer" car is a 4 door and i don't care! If it looks good fine!! So if you still wanna go around making fun of our "rice" cars fine but once again i quote this "You dont' see very many imports broke down on the side of the road, but you mostly see the domestiques" Ohh by the way i also have a domestique but i would pick my honda over that anyday!!!|
|Imports nor Domestics suck. Period. Don't dispute this fact. "The Civic/Accord/Focus/Camrey/Corolla will NEVER be a sports car, no matter what you do. You could dump $80,000 into it, build a carbon fibre chassis and a 1200 HP engine, but it will NEVER be a sports car. Being a sports car is about soul, not power. An economy or "A-B" car will always be that, no matter how it is modified. A stock looking Civic with a 400HP turbocharged engine under the hood is not rice. A Civic with a metallic baby-blue paintjob, 6" exhaust tip, duoble decker aluminium wing, LED washer squirters and 5 pairs of foglights is. See the difference?" I own a 91 Supra TT (1JZ-GTE) and i run a 14.0 bone stock. My friends Z28 runs a 13.4 stock. NO Civic breaks the 16 second mark stock. There is NO replacement for displacement. Do something to a small engine, do it to a big engine and youl'l creating twice as much power/tq. I beat a '03 Si dropped w/a fart can in my dad's 2000 F-150. How pitiful. Drop 30 large into a civic and a work truck beats it. If you wanna go fast, buy a SPORTS car (Skylines, 300ZX's, Supras, RX-7's ARE sports cars, as are Mustangs, F-Bodies, etc.). Don't buy an economy car and try to make it fast. You're not unique, you're stupid, LITERALLY. Why make it fast its SLOW. In Conclusion: Evary car is built for a specific purpose. The designers of your car designed it to look like it does, Leave it alone. Go with performance. P.S. Girls don't care about your car. If they do, may god have mercy on your soul.|
|hey.. i just came across this site.. i have a 1992 toyota celica gt.. as soon as i bought the car i bored out the engine to be a 2.2 because i had a 2.0.. i then ported and polished the heads.. i also have a lightweight aluminum flywheel.. a t4 turbo .. stage 3 racing clutch.. and a short shifter.. i have the cold air intake and 3 inch piping straight back to a Apex-i muffler.. i dont get the high pitched noise.. mine is more lower and deeper sound..i also have a high flow intake manifold.. uprgrade plugs and caps and ground wires.. and 4 wheel disc brakes.. i also had custom 4-2-1 headers made.. i upgraded my fuel rail and my injectors. i installed a high flow fuel pump too.. i have 17 inch lightwieght aluminum racing rims.. NO BODY KIT as i feel it makes your car look a little slicker.. i feel its a waste of money.. i do not have an aftermarket spoiler.. i just kept the original for looks.. there is absolutly no point of a spoiler on a front wheel drive car.. but i also have a 1986 Monte Carlo that has a 455 in it and a turbo 400 tranny.. i have just recieved this car and i am currently working on it.. ii also have a 1984 grand national.. with a 383 stroker.. this car is fast.. but i need to do work on this too.. my celica is fast enough.. i go in for my dyno soon for it..but i like older muscle and "ricers" as you say.. but yes when im in my celica.. i challenge the hell out other cars.. i dont mind if i lose.. its just fun messing around with cars to see what i can beat and what i cant.. and to see how fast other cars really are.. but if anyone is in milwaukee come on ill race.. 400 a race tho.. any wed.. or fri.. because i know my celica has beaten 8 cylinders b4.. they catch me off line sometimes.. but i get them as soon as i hit 3rd.. and then i also have my little 200 shot nos for when they actually are winning so i can zoom past them... he he he.. so all in all.. i like all cars.. and i own both|
|I've never been the biggest fan of the show. The fact is I love cars all makes and models. The only problem is that all american cars have become less of what they were in the past and the cost of owning V8 is crazy. But it is getting the same way with the imports as well. Yea I'm a big jdm person but it is hard to put money into cars and keep up with them when gas and much more keeps going up. I respect anyone who does work there ass off for the car and that no matter what the car is worth it weight. It all about the love for what your doing. so you all out there keeping your dreams of going fast or just looking fly keep it up!|
|Whats your deal Drew?It is my fucking car....I can do whatever I want with it..My exaust comes out the side...It looks awesome.And it sounds good too.And I am not preppy...I have never played a sport in my life.And my body kit makes the car look cool.I did not mean it like -(I do not care if it goes 2 mph.)I meant that I am not going around bragging about how fast my car is...and there is no reason too.That is not what I was going for..I wanted it to actually look cool.And I am not as smart as you when it comes to exaust ,Drew(master of cars). But I have seen and heard MANY ricers that sound like weedeaters.|
|I love my 1990 mustang gt convertable =D.I do not care how fast it is...all I know is that it looks good and does not sound like a weed eater =D.I am 15 and I have put lotsa work into it.My 'rents are rich so they paid for most of the shit...I just bought the car.I got new exaust,wheels,tires,body kit,paint job,lights,seats,stereo system (boomin-I set off a car alarm with it),and alot of minor thing....anyone have an idewa on how to put black lights in my car?My interior is white leather so it will look bitchin. Peace|
|Vuntry, u act rich and preppy and have no fucking clue wat to do to a car. if u dont care how fast y bother adding exhaust. that must mean u do care so u need more shit like headers, intake, gears, supercharger, and all that other shit. if ur parents are so rich and willing to buy it for u then y not do it? also, "ricers" dont sound like weed whackers, granted some sound like a really fucked up fart others like apex N! sounds nice as fuck. Its deep and throaty not high pitched and all whinny. so learn wat u are talking about before u run ur mouth. also, y put a body kit on a fucking "muscle car?" Body kits are wat a lot of people make fun of when they call a car a ricer and thats all ur doing to it then making fun of them. Plus stangs look like ass with those. dumbass.|
|Actually JOHN, 5.0 liters suck ass, and they aren't even really 5 liters. They are 4.9 u jackass|
|Fucking imports are as gay as the lines are in fast and the furious. All you jack offs with ricers can blow me 'cause theres nothin like pure muscle- specially 5.0's
(Editor's Note: Yet another example of the kind of comment that just screams intelligence and lack of in-breeding).
|Why do you people spend so much time bickering about my car vs. your car? It’s on every fucking forum on the internet. I can’t find anything actually “informational” without having to read through this shit. This shit is getting so fucking stupid! Personally, I prefer imports because “in my opinion”, I think they are better cars. That DOES NOT mean that I’m calling anyone stupid for owning a mustang or camaro. As gas prices keep soaring, I love my civic more and more every day. Could it be faster? Yes. Could it look better? Yes. And over the course of a few years, it will be both. If I had all the money to do everything I wanted to do now, I wouldn’t be driving a god damn civic. However, under the circumstances, I can’t actually afford a Supra, NSX, or a 350Z. So in case you misunderstood the point I was trying to make there, let me spell it out again: I bought my civic because it was a good car that I could afford - not because I wanted to be a “ricer”. Unfortunately, anytime anyone buys a decent import, you automatically inherit that title. I don’t do neons, custom paint, vinyls, or plaster manufacture logos all over my car. My car will be getting a turbo treatment though – and not because I want to spank your car, but because I enjoy the rush of a good boost. If everyone could just stop hating, it really could be that simple again. And to clarify another thing, I’m not a newbie to the import “ricer” scene. I’ve been into import performance well before some of you young fuckers had a driver’s license – way back when it was “underground”. Hollywood certainly has a way of fucking things up for real car enthusiasts, no matter what kind of ride you’re into. If you really want to be useful to the community, why not write an article about how you fabricated a turbo using aluminum foil and egg whites, or how you managed to drop a rotary into your mom’s Taurus? At least that would be more interesting to read, instead of all of this bickering bullshit. So to all you real car enthusiasts, don’t waste your time bickering with stupid fucking knuckleheads. And to all you haters, do yourself a favor and cut your wrist!|
|ALRIGHT!!!! I agree that some american cars are nice like cobras, saleens, TA's (trans am's for u idiots), cameros are alright. but thats about it. Other then that they sit on the side of the road dead and shit. I have a 1994 Honda Prelude with an H22a1 VTEC engine and can take any mustang GT on the road stock and all cameros will die. Granted vipers, Porsche 911's and some other high priced cars will smoke me i can hold my own. I can crush a boxter tho. I have a new stage 2 dual friction clutch, new headers, new exhaust, and a rebuilt tranny. oh yea new brakes. people like my car , i like my car, it runs low 14's at the moment and im happy. I dont have ANY body shit done in fact the body looks like ASS!!!! but i dont give a shit. my car is quick but i know its limits. It will be faster later but thats the key word. BTW, exhaust does add HP since i dyno'd it and got 9 HP and 7 LB FT of torque. So it sounds really nice and give power and shit. if u say u need to add 70k to make an import fast my friend used 13k made a first gen talon run mid 10's on slicks and 11's on street tires and it also looked like shit. it was 2 tone and could smoke all u american car assholes. PEACE|
|Fuck you all the skyline rules end of story
(Editor's note: Ah, a truly insipred comment, full of thoughtfull insights and useful information. )
|Dog I Totally AGREE with you dog that the DUMBEST fuckin show in the world well maybe not for fagets who like altezza tail lights and chrome rims, and clear corners on there civics and accords,well I also own a 92 integraRS all JDM so far with my 1 piece Stanley headlights,and Stanley turn signals and my Integra is JDM orange(350Z orange) JDM cluster in KHM instead MPH carbon fiber dashboard trim,spoon sports shift know and radiator cap and just put the spoon sports intake (The intake looks stock,because of the black air box) its awesome because people never know unless ur a JDM fiend like me,well I have to much to list about my car, but I really want a 97 Z28 Camaro so bad with the SS Camaro hood and put lips all around and drope it about 2inches on Corvette Z06 black rims dude thats my dream Z28.|
|hello peeps just thought id drop in and say hi oh and i decided i wanted the integra so i put down a deposit then went to the garge got it checked out and by next week it'll be ripped apart and rebuilt into a hopefully 500bhp beast then ill have to get the body kit and spray job ill keep you all up to date (Editor's note: This is not a forum. Nobody cares. Future comments will not be approved)|
|EVERYONE IN THIS WEBSITE IS ALL CONFUSED, ESPAECIALLY THOSE WHO DISS ON IMPORTS, DOMESTICS, AND AMERICAN VEHICLES. WHY CANT EVERYONE FUCKEN FACE IT, PEOPLE ARE DIFFERENT-PEOPLE CHOOSE WHAT CAR THEY LIKE, DO WHAT THE FUCK THEY WANT AND SHOW IT OFF. IT SEEMS EVERY DAMN ONE OF YOU ARE FUCKEN SHOWING OFF YOUR TYPE OF VEHICLE AND DISSING ON OTHERS. YOU ALL SHOULD FUCKEN GROW UP, YOUR MIND IS TRYING TO CATCH UP WITH THE FUCKEN PRESENT. SO TAKE IT SERIOUSLY THAT MANY PEOPLE, ESPCIALLY ME DO NOT GIVE A RAT'S ASS ON WHO DRIES WHAT AND CAN OUT BEAT WHO. JUST BE FUCKEN PROD THAT YOU OWN A FUCKEN CAR AND CAN SPEND WHATEVER THE FUCK YOU WANT. DUMB ASS BABIES!!!! BUT ITS MY OPINION LIKE IT OR FUCK OFF!!! AND FOR YOUR INFO, I HAVE FIVE VEHICLES FROM IMPORT TO AMERICAN AND I DRIVE THEM ALL, AND HAVE NO FUCKEN PROBLEM WITH LIKING ALL KINDS OF VEHICLES. SO EVERYONE SHUT THE FUCK UP AND ENJOY YOUR RIDE!!! :p (Editor's note: You know, there are ways to get your ideas accross without excessive swearing...)|
|When i turned 6 years old I already had a passion for cars that i knew would never end,, with this passion I started looking for what would be my "favorie car" and found it always to be changing......So anyways 10 years later, after saving whatever money I could, I took that 10 year obsession and used to to make the first auto purchase of my life, Paying for my 1990 Toyota Supra Turbo in cash I walked away with a car far ahead of it's time, for 2000 bucks... both stylistcally, as well as performance ..... So for arguements sake,, there ya go... a kid raised on Boss Stangs, Camaro's, Vettes, Cuda's, Roadrunners..exc found himself with a car that took his heart, as well as his head for a fucking spin of a lifetime..... I didn't have the money,, so I got a Toyota, a car I swore I would never own... since that purchace... the work that i have done,, as well as what i have learned since,, that being 4 years ago, I now realize after owning a toyota ,, that these kids in their "RICERS" really are as big of doosh bags as you have all said... I say this mainly because I beleve that this term applies directly to the person in the drivers seat... Currently I just purchaced a 1992 Supra, the last of the 3rd Generation of this amazing car, a1JZ-GTE from the 98 MK5 Supra, and full component sets,, this car I am building, has nothing to do with Decals,, Wings,, Systems,, Tail lights,, or any of that horse shit,, It has to do with the best god damned car for the buck that has ever been built... and the passion that I have for it,,this engine, matched with this body will bring together 11 years of technology, matching that of any in the auto world today. How much will I spend? I have decided that I will go,, until there is another car,, that is faster,, for less,, and still can look this damn good................ The Honda civic, as well as the entire Honda name is straight shit,, Think otherwise?? Do some research,, and find a physical way.... any possible physical way.... that you can beat me.. in anything with a "H" on the hood... Thnak you, and godbless..|
|all iwant to know is why i sat here writing paragraphs on my views to entertain you people and i submitted my comment and guess what i come on my computer to find it isnt on the page how rude after i waited up till 11:30 to write it i hope to see it the next time i come on the page (jackoffs) (Editor's note: Hey, dumbass...I have more important things to do then approve your ignorant ramblings...)|
|so corbin you think youre hard slagging me off over the internet saying i dont know anything about cars well if i dont know anything about cars why have i been working at a garage for the last 2 yrs every week we get new police cars come in and they ask us to do them up like the volvo t5 standard its crap but then me and my workmates rip it apart take out the factory parts and dump in top off the range gear then we test drive it near where i live on the a55 its a stretch of motorway that runs from a place called chester in england to holyhead in wales its about 50 miles long so were there raggin hell out of the t5 120..130...140 it takes us 21and a half minutes at one in the morning to make the journey so dont tell me i dont know how to mod a car look in max power edition 54 youll see my saxo vts sittin there has youre car ever been in max power i dont think so i know who you are youre a washout probably done up youre car thought ill be the big man and race and i bet you got beat hell out of and aoron cake i cant wait until you write another column (Editor's Note: OK, I've had just about enough of this...)|
|Why do people keep saying it is imports Vs. domestics? It is more about Econnomy Vs. preformance. many great preformance cars are inported. lamborgini, Ferrari and the RX7 and 8 (witch are kickass cars).|
|Who gives a rat's ass? My saying is, as long as one fixes up their car THE RIGHT WAY, then punch away. If you go to some of these major shows, a lot of the top car owners are people who can afford a Cobra, or Porsche, but yet they invest a lot of their funds into their show cars because it's a hobby. You're going to flame someone for what they like to do in their spare time? So much hate for the import scene from some of these people, when not too many of them shit-talk about your Stangs, Thunderbirds and Chargers. Don't become mad just because the import manufacturers sell a lot more of their cars than domestics. I see a lot of people who like to boost their own egos, talking about "My big V8 engine that's HEMI powered Oooo!" Whoopdeedoo, you want a cookie or cracker? Just because one doesn't have the same taste in cars as you do, don't hate on that. That just goes to show you that you let it get to you more than it gets to those "ricers."|
| All I have to say is the sixties are making a come back!!!!
Big V-8's are in. I'm glad to see people modifiing all types of cars,but back wheel drive and V-8's will prevail. The HEMI is back, the GTO is back, and now us FORD fans have are chioce of a 260H.P. GT, 302H.P. MACH 1,or a 390H.P./390FT,LB torque COBRA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Not to menchen a soon to be 500H.P. TRUCK !!!!!!!(the Lightning) So regardless what you modifiy beaware domestics are on top again.
|The more and more angry domestic car fan comments i read ( you know, the ones where they bash "ricers" saying how they are sooooo slow and would be eaten alive by any domestic) , one thing comes to mind. these guys must be shakin in their boots to get so worked up over such a topic. its ok guys, i understand, i would be too if i were you. not because your soon going to be seeing a million "ricers" at your local racetrack running 8 seconds, were not that rednecked. but because the import market is growing strongly and rapidly, and scarily enough, producing cars than run 13 flat, stock. now im not talking about some stupid honda civic or acura integra. im talking about the REAL imports, im talking about the REAL grocery getters, fuck civics, their trunk is too small. i make my weekly trip to safeway with room to spare! my rex has a big ass trunk AND 4 doors! you cant beat that! a few more grocery getters are the rex STi, the EVO 8....and i think ill group the SRT-4 into this catagory as well. these puppies fly. not to mention, the all wheel drive on all but the dodge is a major advantage. oh yea, the replacement for displacement is a turbocharger. figure that one out.|
|I owned ( sad to say the engine burnt) a 88 corsica, yes a corsica. Runnin 290k km with no money dropped into it n beat the living crap out of a civic Si who had a fart can on his ass, if your gonna race a family car with a "sports car" u better hope u win or else even the cop thikns your a dumbass. All i did was have a blue paint job and a streak white paint streak along the bottom of my ride and had people wanting to race me. I raced an eagle talon who acted big with his newly installed, not even painted front bumper and stayed with him and his fart can also, i won but not to faster speeds cause road racing also involves traffic and he got caught behind a truck thiknin he could pass me. Only if my car wouldve gone past 140km/hr i would cream these suckers. Now i own a 96 neon, not the best car but i got it for a good price and I am under reconstructing it. If anyone has any connections in Ontario Canada, i could really use some hook ups. Thanks|
|Ok, first off, I'm going to admit right now, I am a fan of Japanese import cars. Along with the aftermarket with the many different names people have for them. I'm into those wings, mufflers, body kits, etc. However, I know in my mind that these accessory parts add no horsepower. I know that domestics are faster. Call me a ricer or what you will, but I know that if I owned a 4 banger civic, I would not beat a domestic car like a stang or camaro, etc... It's common sense. I just added an intake and exhaust because in my opinion, I like it and there is nothing wrong with that. But I also know, this isn't some massive upgrade that will add lots of horsepower. I just do it for the looks people. Not all "ricers" are stuck up rich kids. I go meet with domestic owners at car meets and such and we have a hell of a time because I'm not bragging off about how "fast" my car is. I accept that they are faster and they accept that I'm more into looks then speed. I'm 17 years old, some people might call me a cocky little ricer kid, but like I've said many times, I am not fast. I will hang around with any car enthusiast because I have respect for people who are in the same "field of interest" as me. I'm into cars, not into fighting over who's faster, or who's better looking or whatever the case may be. By the way, I own a 240SX. I just didn't get a civic or accord because I feel there is just too many of them.|
|OK Look im goin to clear it up, one thing im never goin to come on here again so dont write any comebacks this is a once in a life time thing. Here gos, i cant stand fuckers who sit there and tell me that there import with 70k mods kicks domestics ass's when the domestic is stock as shit or doesnt have anywhere near the same mods or horsepower at that or let alone people with domestics doing the same shit. U imports have a better hand anyway u wieght like 1000 lbs lighter than any domestic, another this is for import guys if u think u got it better with your ricer haha go out buy another import and than buy a domestic put the same mods on both doing nothing different to anyone of them, than tell me who cranks out more horsepower, ok? LOOK YOU CANT BEAT CUBES!!!!!!!!!! then race them and tell me who wins thats a perfect way to tell u which ones better. Oh yeah i heard some jack ass taklin about how his ricer would outlast a domestic look bitch everyone in this forumn is tlakin about racing or performance shit so dont come up with that mine would last longer shit ok? Dont get me worng i love both domestisc and imports but they both have an upper hand Imports are lighter and domestics can crank it out!!!|
|i would just like to say that all you ricers out there that there is still hope for you to learn that american cars are what you have to beat to get to the top and that ain't going to happen, i figure that the wings the lights the neons and everything may make your car look like its going fast but guess what my camaro v6 may not be a 350 but i have beaten the ricers with the wings the lights and every other god dam thing you could do to a honda or whatever, they only add wieght and my car is 3300 lbs and you guys bitch and complain about well you have a bigger motor IT's A V6 NOT A 350 and you still see my tail lights as a dot in the horizon
EAT SHIT RICERS
|Aaran James, You obviosly dont know alot about RX7s, or Aaron's rx7 for that matter.
I bet that 3-and-a-half-grnad sterio does alot for your speed and doesn't add any weight to your car at all.
A ridng lawnmower with an NO2 setup sounds fun. :p
|Whats next a riding lawn mower with a spoiler that birds make nest in because its taller than the trees, with a fart tube in the back, neon lights and a fake roll cage? I can take my v8 and remove 4 spark but its not going faster, well maybe faster than a civic. A ricer's car is nothing more than a golf cart on steroids.|
|Has anyone done a h23a1 to a h22a1 vtech swap on a 92 prelude? If not I want to hear some of the shit talking on a prelude . Lets stop bullshitting about dumb ass civics
|to you people who think ricers can beat v-8 domestics. They can, but it takes a lot of money. An equally funded v-8 will ALWAYS beat an equally funded four banger. four's were made for fuel economy keep 'em that way.I've seen hot ricers before but it takes more mony than your average kid can produce. I've only thrown about 5,000 dollars into my 72 Nova 4-door but I haven't had a ricer ever produce a slight challenge on the street yet. Give up and send 'em back to japan|
|gee everybody needs too relax .I mean who cares what people do too there cars ,if they own it they can do whatever they like ,hell theirs this girl that goes too my highschool she drives an old toyota wagon and every square inch she glued those happymeal toy figurenes too the car ,funny looking , but its hers .I own a 97 sunfire bought and paid for.I;ve done some stuff too my car like neon lights under the car painted it and some other stuff on the inside for my enjoyment .my opinion of the perfect, car import engine and a domestic body ps. saw that show it stinks .|
|i just whant too say i go for guys who drive rice cars cause they know how too eat pussy the best
(Editor's note: there's a quality lady)
|Have u heard this aaron cake i will race but not on a street i have to do it on a track or my mum will shout at me and who do you tkink you are saying ill beat u all in my 1986 mazda rx7 that thing is clapped out its nackered see i have a citroen saxo vts 16 valve and that would kick youre ass anyday of the week it has an intercooler second grade turbo greddy blow off valve and not to mention the 3 and a half grand stereo system and then theres the nitrous oxide two 20lb tanks in my boot i would seriously leave you trailing behind and do u know why kids these days want to do up cars because you can go to a ferrari dealership buy one for say £160,000 race a kid a traffic light and he'll beat you and do you know what he'll be driving a citroen saxo its the feeling that youve done it yourself not just bought the car like that|
|I have owned a 94 Accord w/H22a, 85 CRX Si, 88 CRX Si, 97 Integra GS-R and 93 Prelude Vtec. I believe Hondas are NOT Performance cars in any manner, just a well engineered product that allows for a half ass mechanic wannabees to swap engines. I would take an STi, M3 or 996 anyday of the week and drive it stock with a dealer warranty if I had the cash. No one will take Honda Modification Culture serious until the owners of those cars take themselves serious and grow up. That's my 2cents.|
|I like Toyotas. Japanese designs (they are pretty damn smart), but good ol' american cmatirials and construction. Damn cars last for forever. My dad had a 1985 camry, and drove the shit out of that thing for 16 years before throwing out the forward axle.|
|Mitina: You make some good points. I would agree with your first one regarding the male egos and pointless arguing. Certainly you are correct that many of these people appear to have nothing more to do than call each other names and create arguments that remind me a lot of the things I heard in the classroom when I was in grade 8. However...
I counted 4 swear words in the first two sentences of your posting.
It would seem to me that if you wish to be taken seriously, that swearing and calling people down by making statements such as "get your heads out of the clouds boys" isn't going to do much for your own credibility, nor does it present your argument particularly well. From what I've noticed, people tend to discuss whatever is important to them. For example, old people tend to talk about thier ailments lot, young girls tend to talk about other's relationships a lot and so on. It's just what people do. If the subject at hand offends you, I suggest you find a different group to converse with. It seems to me that, like most of us (myself uncluded) you might be the cause of your own problem. If your boyfriend does nothing but talk cars and that offends you, maybe you should find a different boyfriend. If you find the content of this web site offensive, there's no reason for you to view it. While I can certainly appreciate your frustration, the solution is easy. Just hang around with people who have interests common to your own. It works for me.
|NOTE TO EDITOR:
MY boyfriend is the one that told me to come to this site so that I could read what he had wrote!
(Editor's note: this time, you came from a Google search)
|My personal opinion on this matter is that you all are a bunch of men with way to much free time on your hands I mean damn how much fucking talking can one person do about a fucking car, its a machine with four wheels and a fucking engine I mean damn find something more productive to talk about. Dont get me wrong I am into old muscle car and little imports to but I dont waste every spare moment I have talking about them and this is coming from personal experiance I have a boyfriend that is twenty-four (you will find his comment above mine a ways) and when ever I enter one of his friends houses or am out with him and he sees one of them the stand or sit and talk for hours about the same shit that they talked about just the day before a damn car.
Get your heads out of the clouds boys and find a new subject or atleast you could not tell the same stories over and over maybe that would settle the problem, how about this just alternate your STORIES and tell one now and wait twenty years to tell it again.
(Editor's note: you found this page by searching MSN for "random thoughts high rev tunerz ricers". Now who has time on their hands?)
|An idiot is an idiot, regardless if he / she is driving a Civic with a fart can and wing or an Oldsmobile with a fart can and a wing. There seems to be people on both sides who refuse to recognize that imports and domestics have their own unique advantages. I've seen very respectable cars from both sides of the pond. If you do your research and choose your parts correctly you can have have just as much fun with an Eclipse as you can with a big block Chevelle but don't go comparing the two. They are entirely different beasts. Sure you might be able to get the Eclipse to hang with the Chevelle but it's gong to cost two or three times as much to do it. Even though it can be done, you're never going to do it with fart cans, wings, 23 non functional air intakes and a pile of other crap that just slows it down. If you think these things enhance the appearance of your car, certainly you are entitled to your opinion but please don't go shooting your mouth off about how fast it is. Nor should you race up and down residential streets endangering others.
The sheer arrogance of the typical ricer is amazing. to those of you I have this to say, regardless of how fast you may think your car is, there is always someone who is faster. Stay humble. It's a lot less embarassing.
I drive a "low tech" '69 GMC pickup with a 454, 3 speed auto, and a carb. It weighs 4500 lbs, runs mid 13's at just over 100 MPH, does 0 - 60 in 5.1 seconds. Obviosly there are a of of things out there faster then I, but there have been more than a few ricers who claim to run "12s" that can't come anyhwere close to my old pickup.
Funny how that works.
|Let's keep this simple. the show high rev tuners 4 lack of a better words sucks ass. They don't explai diddly shit. I spend more time looking at the hosts tits than at the cars becuse she's so fucking annoying. Maybe a fat cock well shut here mouth. As far as the war between ricers and american steel is just coming down to the fuel economy. No one my age has the cash flow to keep filling up those gas guzzlers and make there ride performence. When it comes down to it it's all personal preference for were you want your cash to go. So in conclusion this is an opinion page and yall should quit your bitchin. This page started off as well thought out opinion and turned in to a bunch of bull shit. Grow up|
|Uh!!!!! who gives a fuck what it is what these kids today are trying to race. At least there in to something cool instead of a lot of other dumb shit they could be doing, I am a MOPAR man, I also own several 86-93 stangs and guess what kids i got a prelude too!!!!!! So what does that make me.I know as well as anyone there is no replacement for displacment in cubic inches that is but when you consider you can take one of those little bastards and get damn near triple the horsepower as they came out with stock. i think thats pretty fuckin impressive.as I said before I am a mopar man and I own mustangs in wich either would eat these little hondas . We are comparing apples to oranges .In all I would say that the imports are kind the classic muscle cars of this era,as the mopars ,fords and even some of the sucky ass chevys lol where of the past i might sound like a old man but im not im only 24 ,I just got luck of growing of around people who had real muscle cars 60s -70s detriot muscle that is.but I think that one day people will look back at the import craze and wish they could have lived in our time like I wished I could been in 60s and 70s for all those big blocks and the ultamite motor ever the HEMI . ps my lude will lay ya down to come get some. thank you. logan|
|I guess I'll start off saying that I am not a fan of honda, let alone Civics. The fact is that any car with engine mods can beat out some other stock cars (not all) that's a given. these "ricers" who think they're all bad ass because they put $70k into a civic and beat out a stock mustang or vette needs to get their head examined, although a win is a win. For those who bash F&F I personally don't feel that it's right to blame that movie for these people, people will like what they like, not evetyone has the gift of knowing everything about their car, an what to add. If they think body kit and a nice paint job is what it takes to win in a race let em think that and be glad you know other wise and ignore them if they get pissed. Personally I'm not too fond of mustangs and maros, I find them to be a dime a dozen and sinse they are domestic they don't give much, if any option for personalizing (body kits, etc) That is also another reason young people buy the imports because they have that vast sellection of options. I'm not at all old nor do I have an "expensive" car. A nice 84 RX7 and I love the car, and do what I can with it, if by chance some1 wants to race then whatever, if they think their hot shit. (and people in mustangs, marows and vetts have done) and I've beaten them, of course neither of us really trying hard. no mods yet to the engine and it's only a 1.1 Carbed, no turbo. with planns of making it a show car, although it'll have the guts to go along with it, but 1st thing's first. personaly I find new mustangs to be quite ugly. I'm not gonna totaly bash domestic because I do still like the older cars/trucks, nice 67-69 mustang I wouldn't mind but absolutely hate the new ones. I hate Honda's and think most people who drive civics are arrogant and think their hot shit when I beat them out. Though I do like Toyota, Mazda (Rotary fan above all), Nissan, And of course the WRX.
I know it's hard to find people who love cars so much, even imports, to do the car right inside and out and no be an ass if they lose a race here and there. But there are people like that. I don't consider myself a "ricer" hate the mufflers that sound like there's pebbles in it. But I do like to make my car look nice, Sound nice, and would like some of the people here to understand that body kits are not just gawdy things if they're done in a tasteful manner without the large wings they call spoilers on the back, but a nice small one. And they are a way to be different that some1 else.
Just my 2cents I forgot some things since it is 2am
|Well from what i've read here there seems to be a big split going on here.
Ok, for starters, i've had the low 10 sec street mustang,(1.39 60 ft,6.45 1/8th ) i spent 12 grand in that particular car with a stock stroke 302. I was pleased with the car,18 mpg and it ran on pump gas with an ATI chargerand 13lbs of boost. Very respectable for a 3200lb car fully loaded.
Now i've got a 89 civic hatchback with a stock(mind you rock stock) acura b18a1 in it,import guys know what it makes for HP, I put a t3 turbo on it on it with a used eclipse intercooler and 10 lbs of boost it ran 7.36 1/8th (2.21 60 ft on slicks) and 11.19 @126mph with no more than 800.00 bucks invested so far......now i can drive the car anywhere and get 35 mpg......drive off from c5 corvettes, most modified mustangs and camaros and have fun doin it. I dont want to take sides but, seems to me when i do the headwork and cam change with about 17 psi i think i can get about as fast as i need to be with a "civic" as you say. but i do this for a living.
Email with any questions you may have/challendges with a REAL street car, and by the way the high rev tuner show is just that a show.........nothing more......
|hey its all about the style i have seen so many stock v8 cars it aint funny that just work on the motor im all about goin fast but u know my little ricer can go round the curves faster than these heavy old cars and heavy new cars what bout the drift scene i would like to see the muscle cars do that i got my civic for only 4gs low insurance cheap parts can u say that bout your precious muscle car that eats the gas i go to college and cant afford that maybe in the year 2007 i might get the infinity skyline and cut every bodys ass with a luxury car what bout that|
|ok. This is really getting pathetic. Everyone should give up on piston engines. They are only 20% efficent at best. As for Ricers, They need to realize the actual power (or lack therof) of their cars and not be so damn cocky about it.
GAAA!!! I HATE RICER'S ATTITUDES! THEY ARE SOO COCKY AND JUST IGNORANT!
|All of this ricer shit going on these days is really turning into bullshit. It's pathetic. Not only is it sad that 16 year old's, after watching The Slow and The Tedious, go and buy a Honda Civic. 68% of them put nothing but a ridiculously large muffler, a atrocious paint job and body kid, and nearly a trunk full of racing decal's on their little street machine. Most of them run around doing nothing but trying and making weak attempts to blow good ol' Detriot Iron off the road and be king of the streets. When it comes down to it, Ricer's are cowards. They can only race Mustangs that we know of today (From 1990 to 2003). It's sad to know the Mustangs have began to lose all of this good amount of horsepower after 1971. Although, from 1967 to 1971, Mustangs were the true beasts. Even though a rejected Ricer can bitch on and on saying "I can beat any Mustang, and I can prove it!" Heh, your going to need more than atleast 400 horsepower for all I care to beat a top-notch classic Mustang. Let me point out something that Ricer's can't face head-on. Who is faster?
-==[1969 Ford Mustang Boss 429 V8 (stock)]==-
Horsepower - 375 bhp @ 5200 rpm
-==[1999 Honda Civic Si (stock)]==-
Horsepower - 160 bhp @ 7600 rpm
A ricer would infact be cocky enough to actually pull up next to a 1969 Mustang Boss 429 in his Civic Si, and rev his small 1.6 I4 engine up. Although Im not suprised If he actually just floored it off the line, but was only to hear the rough V8, and see the Mustang take off before his very eyes. Im sure he would watch as it pulled farther and farther away by the second. He would find the guy/ or gal in the Mustang to be waiting for him at a stop light. He/she would then see the Ricer in the Civic Si to lean out his window and make a common, lame-ass excuse for why he lost the race. I only appreciate people who drive a Honda, and are honest about winning and losing a race, instead of getting all pissed off over it. Im also going to add this, Im not a import hater. I just dislike ricers or people who are to cocky behind the wheel. Here is a reminder as well...
If your going to hate a import of domestic, hate the driver. Not the car. Because the driver is the one responsible for what he/she does in the first place. The car is only a slave to them, especially If they are a idiot or ricer.
|Kool, I am from B/c as well. and I just wanted to say that I like both sides, Muscles and Ricers. My personalfavorite is a 2003 ZO6 Vett. Shoot, give it to me stock and I will be more than just happy. On the other hand Supras do make a pretty puurrrrr when u sup em up right. I am only a novice when it comes to cars. I do know what I like, but I don't know whats best. I am one of those people who met sum kool people who were into cars and then "Tha Fast and Tha Furious" dropped and I was hooked I was "Gee golly I want a Honda Civic!" until my friend slapped me and told me real story. After that Civics were everywhere. Why just tha other day I was in tha skool parking lot whatchin sum guy that has already graduated showin off his supped up Civic to all tha Senior Jocks. All exept tha one with tha 62 Camero, he wasnt to interested. Then I this guy in Auto Tech class (thats pretty kool) thats drives an Eclipse that has a body kit, nice spoiler, nice rims, nice muffler,...but I'm not to sure about tha engine I'm betting My friend's Durrango would just walk away from it. Now I'll admit, My dream is to take a 93` Mustang 5.0 and drop about 10 thou. in it and see what comes out. but I fear I wouldn't be excepted by neither Ricers nor Muscles. I don't know.....what do u guys think?|
im just a kid from bc but whoever wrote this is a fag...... i love hondas... they are way more then just appearance and u shouldnt be so quick to dis someone w/o taking a look at urself.. either ur gurl has no tits are you're a gurl wit no tits. cuz if you cant appreciate a good ol american beauty, u have a problem... and as for the guys, they're jsut there havin fun so f*ck you...... peace.
|the show is stupid in the first place anyone who thinks these 4 cylinder imports are any count there stupid everyone with a brain knows that anything american with a v8 built wright can blow the fuckin doors off any import. the v8 just can get way more horses.|
|Ted is too, an idiot.
He says: "You guys are all fuckin idiots if you think tunerz suck when a 4 cyl. Lancer can beat the new Lam in the 1/4 mile how can you down a euro. YOU ARE FUCKIN FAGS!"
It's not even about Lambo. Anyone would take a stock Lambo over a Lancer anyday, even if it could run 8's. I know I would. Besides the fact that that you said we're downing "Euros" when in fact were are downing Asian cars. Lamborghini is a Euro you moron.
|You guys are all fuckin idiots if you think tunerz suck when a 4 cyl. Lancer can beat the new Lam in the 1/4 mile how can you down a euro. YOU ARE FUCKIN FAGS!|
|APOL doesn't know simple math. A front engine, FWD car loses about 12 or 13% max power through the driveline. 143hp+13% = about 162hp @ the crank. Not 200hp. Even if it was a Front engine RWD car, you can only figure 18% driveline loss. So even if your car was Front engine/RWD it would still only have about 169hp at the crank. Moron.|
|hey YEAGER hahahahahaha you're so full of it that you have shitty ideas pal, u say that they cam eout with the supra in 1993 hahaha my buddy has a 1990 maybe a 1991 so they are older i think u better check into the history of ur car b4 u go and say shit like that, oh and i'd eat ur car with my truck or my fathers el camino pal so shut ur fucking mouth|
|Ok, here are my thoughts on the "import" scene. First of all, I blame the fast and the furious for the out burst of these people who put anything they can on their car with no reasoning. I'd like to believe that the huge spoilers had some purpose, oh wait, no I don't, but has any one realized that the downforce generated by the spoiler isn't exactly such a great thing for high speeds on a front wheel drive car. Think about it, it would only raise the front end while lowering the back causing evenmore understeering than normal. I should go on, but I'm tired now since it's around 2 am, why I'm still up, I'm still not sure. But the main point that I would like to make is that these are normally ECONOMY cars, not designed to be fast and never will compete with cars that are and must I remind everyone that there is no replacement for displacement.
If speed and style is truely what you want, then I have the perfect solution for you, get a c5 corvette, doesn't matter how many miles it has, and bring it to lingenfelter where they can put in the 427 twin turbo package. With this, you can do 9.5 second 1/4 mile with stock tires and even with on 93 octane gas with 725hp(something unheard of in the import community). Now with just adjusting the turbos to 20 psi, using street legal slicks and using high octane race fuel, it's possible to get 8.9 seconds with 1,100hp (both numbers are achieved with out using the import's precious nitrous).
So there's my 2 cents and if you'd like to know more, just IM me at sum persn, I'll be glad to help all and if you'd like to vent your anger about my post, you can also IM me and tell me what you think and I'll tell you why you're wrong, haha, just kidding, but I will try to help you realize the truths about cars. I'm just a friendly automotive engineer in college just trying to set things right.
| I own a 1998 Toyota Supra with Single Turbo.The car has awesome everyday drivability. I spent a lot of money for it, but I am very happy with it.I know there are many muscle cars that would beat it, atleast many that would definately get it bad out of the whole.I have a tremendous respect for AMERICAN MUSCLE.However, I wouldn't trade it for a fair condition dodge viper or a new Corvette Z06 if I had the choice. I feel that the car is very reliable,a true Toyota.The build quality is excellent,and the car is filled with many luxury's, including a 1700w stereo system. I think my car is pimp. I get people staring at it where ever I go. When I originally had it without the large rear spoiler and I without the emblems,which I never installed, I had a highclass middle age women mistaken it for an Aston Martin. I told her it was a Toyota and she was like "uhhh....a Toyota? yuck." The Toyota Supra doesn't have the Heritage of a porshe or ferrari, and is nearly outdated by todays standards. However, when the Supra made it's appearance in 1993 it was laying the smackdown on even the top of the Line Corvette, The Corvette ZR-1. I believe the Supra is a truly amazing car with a nearly bullet proof engine and superb Toyota craftmenship, reliablity and an amazing value. With modifications you can have a world class car in the ranks with a ferrari or even a Lambo for a fraction of the cost and what a believe to be several times the reliablity.
My car dyno's at 450 at the rear wheels @ 17 psi. It lags a little but pulls very hard at about from 3000 rpm to it's 7000 rpm redline. With 265 high performance street tires, My 1/4 time's very between my best 12.312 @ 121.233 through 13.068 with my current realistic average being about 12.5's @ 122. My highest trap speed was 125.681 acheived on a very cool night with my boost creeping to about 19.5 psi by 3rd gear. I believe with slicks that I would fall deep into the 11's. With race fuel I can actually increase my boost pressure significantly to achieve higher horsepower. I have never done so, but I believe with the combination of slicks and 116 octane race fuel my best 1/4 mile runs would hit low 11's into the high 120's @ about 28psi putting down around 520 or so horsepower to the rear wheels.
|Wow, people get pretty intense when they reply to this stuff. Here is the bottom line from my point of view. Yes, the TV show has a few issues. But at least there is a show that supports any one with an interest in import cars. So right on for that! I live by a rule that if you dig cars, speed, style, or anything else that goes along with the automotive world. Then you must be cool. I like street rods and muscle cars. That is my background. But if building a civic matches your budget or what you like then right on. As for the comment about "Ricers haveing attitudes" , buddy,when is the last time you asked a rich Farrari or Porsche owner a question about his car? Come on? My only real complaint is that here in the U.S. we don't have enough places to really open up the throttle on whatever car you have.
But I do have a question for any one in the tuner world. Right now I am building a Rockcrawler 4Wheel drive. It is powered by a 1.8 Audi, backed by a Suzuki trans with an Atlas transfer case. The body is a tube chasis but I have a Ford Focus that we Rally ran and destroyed. I want to style the front end off a narrowed front hood, off the Focus. I am looking for a aftermarket hood that has a scoop big enough above the normal deck to cover the supercharger. It is mounted above the engine and needs an extra 2 inches to clear with the hood closed. Now if I didn't confuse you, let me know any ideas where I can find a Focus hood that will work. Other then that, keep the right pedal matted and have fun!
|i think that civics and souch should be used by people who go to the grocery store or to work. otherwise, i would scrap them for parts. ive alwase wanted a small engine for a big go -kart...|
|apol, it is only 7/16 of an inch to your caps lock key. are you sthat lazy as to not use it??|
|I hate Hondas they give us Japanese racers a bad name. They believe that their V-Tech can do some serious damage. Please my lawn mower has more cylinders and power. I also hate Mustangs and Cameros because many believe that you can beat every J-car. You ppl always associate Japanese cars with the Civics and Honda that is completely stupid. I used to own a Toyota Mark II GT twin turbo when I lived in Japan. 1jzgte engine. 1540kg in weight 600hp for $3,500 (3,000 for mods and 500 for the car). I hate the fact I can't import my car to here in the US. Let me point something out. You people driving "tricked" Hondas and big Mustangs haven't seen REAL japanese cars. All you have here in the US are the fake models with sometimes different engine types. There are many cars in Japan not released to the world especially the US that can whoop some ass. Cefiro, Laurel, Chaser/MarkII/Cresta GT twin turbos, Cedric GT, Gloria GT and ect.|
|My Black 1992 Chevy IROC-Z ,blackout tailights, and black adonized Vette rims with 1" chrome lips in front and 2.5" chrome lips out back looks fast just as some ricers do. But thats where the similarity stop. I have a 454 CID Chevy Krate engine with ceramic headers and 80 series flowmasters with a 3 1/2" tips. I have pullys, cams, trans, roll cage, rear axle so handle the torque, and only 2 seats in the car (stock seats except for the leather thanks to Mr. Mike) and the only sound system mods are: MP3/CD player, 1000 watt amp, and only 2 10" subs. It's my everyday driver and its fast and beleive it or not its street legal. It will destroy a mustang with the same amount of $ put into it and any Jap car with twice the $ put into it. Mustangs are not the American car ricers should be looking at they are teenage girl cars. Camaros are race cars. Trans Ams are race cars. GTOs are race cars. Bel Airs are race Cars. LeMans are race cars. Not Civics, not preludes, not supras, not rx-7s,not 300zx, not 350z, not celicas, not MR2s, not insights, not echos, not integras, not tiburons. If you live in America you buy American products. Love it or leave it. If it needs replacement parts every 3 years then so be it. Dont drive it like a dickhead with the proper parts. We'll never be able to stop the growing rice culture. We can only hope to contain it. The way I feel about rice is, If you're going to sacrifice your dignity and rice out your Econo Box then do it to a Cavelier or a Sunfire or a Malibu or a Cutlass. And for you dumb ass ricers that say why dont they make Camaros anymore? I work for GM and they stopped making them so they can bring them back in 2005 and the GTOs coming back and the Bel Airs coming back so ricers beware.|
|My other car will is a show car as most imports are. It is a 1996 Chevy Caprice with a 350 CID krate engine. and 40 series flowmasters. Thats about it for the performace catagory. It has white leather interior and 4 12" subs and 6 6x9"s and 4 tweeters. It has chrome 20" Intro Smoothies an Impala SS grill, Moon Eyes Smoothie bumpers, working cowl hood and two tone black on bottom caddilac white on top paint job.|
|ok, to all those people putting down 4 banger rice rockets saying that they can smoke the shit out of them with there mustangs (egh) or cameros. of course you can, its simple, 4 cylinders versus 8. obviously you will win. rice rockets and domectics are two completly different classes, if a ricer comes to a light and revs on a mustang or camero, hed better mean buisness. there are very few imports out there that will take on a camero or GT mustang ( personally i group V6 mustangs into the ricer catagory), those cars are the subaru WRX, 300ZX Twin Turbo, 3000GT VR-4, and maybe an AWD, Turbod Eagle Talon. i know for a fact that i can take ANY RWD or FWD car off the line in my WRX. simply due to the AWD. after that if i am racing an import the race is over because the civic or integra dissapears quickly. if its a domestic (camero, corvette, WS6, etc.) after 1st or second gear, its a catch up race. ill boost in front then get passed later by the V8, like i said V8s produce power in every gear and lots of it. where as in my car (stock) , the turbo helps tremendously but maybe just enough to run head to head with a camero. and even if im running head to head with that camero, as soon as we hit around 80, the race will be over with the camero leaveing me in the dust. with mustangs its a different story. a WRX will beat a GT mustang fairly easily. GT mustangs sound really mean and all but they lack something that a Z28 does. its just funny because every person on the road with a GT mustang thinks they are god. but i do think that if you put some money into a GT they can be fast, but that goes for all cars. so back to what i said earlier, rice rockets and domestics are two diferent classes. so to all you import drivers out there, know which fights to pick and dont be an idiot and talk trash to a V8 because chances are, they will smoke you.|
|I HAVE TO AGREE WITH EIN05. I LIVE IN NEW MEXICO, AND EVERYONE OUT HERE HAS THERE CIVICS LOOKING SLEEK. SO YOURE THINKING THEY WILL BE FAST. AS IT HAPPENS THEY USUALLY ARENT.I OWN A DODGE NEON, THAT TO TELL THE TRUTH WOULD HAVE A HELL OF A TIME PICKIN GIRLS UP IN. BUT IT IS ACTUALLY STARTING TO GET FAST, AND I KNOW I WILL HEAR CRAP ABOUT THIS HERE, BUT IT IS STARTING TO HANG WITH GT STANGS.IT IS ONLY 143 HORSES AT THE WHEELS(ABOUT 200 AT THE CRANK)W/NEARLY IDENTICAL TORQUE BUT CONSIDER IT WEIGHS MORE THAN 1200LBS LESS THAN A GT. JUST BECAUSE I KNOW I WILL BE ASKED FOR A MODS LIST I WILL JUST POST FIRST.
I HAVE SEEN SOME PEOPLE PUT NEONS IN THE "IMPORT" CATEGORY? I ASSURE YOU MY CAR IS ALL AMERICAN POWER (ASIDE FROM THE BORROWED ENGINE ARCHITECTURE FROM MITSUBISHI) IT IS MOPAR ALL THE WAY.HEH!
|ANOTHER THING. SOME OF YOU ARE PUTTING ALL HONDAS INTO THIS ECONOMY CAR CLASS, WHEN AN S2000 WITH A BOLT ON CAT BACK EXHAUST AND AN AIR INTAKE IS RUNNING LOW 13s . JUST SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT.|
|i guess the place 2 start is that. yes i have a 1994 honda accord & that i am making mods. but that is b/c i like 2 race 7 have been racing since i could drive a go kart. i do it b/c i love speed & the sport of racing. the reason a lot of people dont get z28's, stangs & tranz are b/c of the insurance. i save about $150 in insurance with my car than with a tranz or z28(trust me i've checked)& plus my car is completely paid for(if you dont no how it feels to actually own your car it feels good)unlike people who go & buy cars they know they can't afford & struggle 2 make payments.
the point is. the import scene is the same scene that my father went through in the 60's/70's. 1)get something you can afford(ask older people...they had duster's not lambo's) 2) make it as fast as you can 3) clean it up to attract as many girls as possible. it's a cycle. when we get into our 40's & 50's our kids will be doing the same thing. just wait.
from a person who is about go before show. but understands both sides of the argument.(if it looks fast. it better be fast)
|TOMMY . . .IT'S "YOU'RE", NOT "YOUR". TAKE SOME 4TH GRADE ENGLISH CLASSES.|
|TOMMY . . .DO YOU MEAN "TOMMY TOO TALL",
NOT "TOMMY TO TALL" IT'S DOUBLE "O"
MUST BE THE LEADED FUEL YOU PUT ON YOUR
|YOUR ALL GAY!!!|
|i like the hsow but everyone is right they do not put any work into the engine... its all body kits and wings and other horse shit like that....i still dont know where todd is coming from though.. i would gladly meet his friend with his 70k worth of work done to his civic and i can garauntee that my truck would suck his car up my exhaust pipe.... i own a 1986 ford ranger 1/4 long box and i frankensteined it and put a 350 under the hood... i added a shorty header, holly 750 double pumper cam, flowmaster straight pipe no tips all engine sound, i left stock wheels and rims on it... and threw in a tach just so i know when to shift to blow them little ricer fags away...i have no nos or any of that chemical bullshit i think if ur goin power go raw..anyway my truck currently runs 10.2 and if yas all want i can gladly scan my track sheet on here and show yas all....as for todd i'd like to see you put $2900 into a little honda civic and beat my truck i would gladly drive to whereever u are from and race slips anyday|
|oh and i forgot to mention i also have a b&m starshifter slpa shift on the truck to go threw gears faster then most ppl go through under wear!|
|You know, this is getting pretty stupid. It's not about import vs. domestic. It's not about who can beat who. It's about attitude, knowledge and to the ricers, image. So please, enough with the "shit talking" highschool age insults.|
|This is to answer everyone's question . . .
Why do ricers try to turn a Honda Civic into a sports car?
Well, in Japan & Europe they hold endurance races using cars backed by the manufacturers (Toyota, Honda, Nissan, British Ford, Skoda, Citroen, Audi, etc.) This is almost equivalent to your Nascar but much more stylish and a lot more classier.
|Jeez, u pople keep chekin back, get a life all ov u|
|This is for 66 Maverick . . .let's talk reliability, uumm which one has a longer life span Toyota or Ford? you know the answer to that. Since Ford bought Jaguar, now I can buy a 2003 Jaguar at Bill's used cars for $6500, THANKS FORD!and why are you comparing a GT40 to a Honda Civic? unfortunately the U.S. would only allow Honda Civic's in, and not the Nissan Skyline or the newer Toyota Supra, and Mazda RX-7, they claimed it's emmission standards let's face it, is it really emmission standards or is it losing the market? Why would anyone buy a made in Mexico 380hp Mustang when you can get a better looking, more reliable, better handling 400 horse power Nissan Skyline? that's why they're not allowed in, because no one will buy the Mustang if the Skyline was available, but beware some Japanese rally champion cars are sneaking in the country, like the 300hp all-wheel drive Subaru WRX, 271hp Mitsubishi Evo. Let me try some of your "dumb ass" comparisons. . . who do you think will win a 1/4 mile race, a 108hp Chevy Cavalier or a 400hp Toyota Supra? That's how "stupid" your comparisons are. Face it muscle cars are dinosaurs it's time to move on. Look at the new V8 cars trucks the engines are getting smaller . . . a 454 cu to a 289 what the the hell are you talking about. I watched American Lemans at Laguna Seca, the V10 Viper and the V8 Corvette got "whoooped" by the Porsches.|
|i don't care how many cylinders it has, hondas are ECONOMY CARS! tehy aren't structurally built to race. at high speeds the frame is seriously tressed and due to its light weight, you lose traction and handling. if you turn at high speeds, those things will spin out fast and you will get hurt. preformance cars are designed to do this much better than economy cars.
as for me depending on gas, i am exploring elder yet promising technologies souch as steam and stirling engines
You stupid retard! Have you read a Motor Trend magazine lately? Did you notice how many domestics are making the Car of the year list! As for performance, your little four wheeled econo boxes arent taking over any time soon.It seems that v10s and bigger v8s are popping up all the time. Ford is coming out with a 380 hp Mustang,500 hp Lighting and
a GT40 Super car.As for economy, if gas gets to scarce you ricers will fall with the rest of us and maybe some day you will be sitting at a stop light and some little punk will pull up to you in his little Toyota
Echo or all electric car with a baseball card rapping on the wheels, to get an even cheaper version of that Fart Canon sound you import guys thing sounds so cool! you just might site back and laugh, thinking "my Honda would have smoked that guy" just like we who live in the real world do when we see those little rattle trapes you tool around in!!!!!
|Face it V8 lovers, it's all over.When you die, do you think your children will want your Camaros & Mustangs? All you have left is pride, just like Harleys, you can't convince anyone that a Harley looks better than a Jap or European sport bike.
If you talk to any Ford or Chevy master mechanic, and they'll
tell you how hopeless domestic cars are. Look at the aftermarket manufacturers like Holley, Edelbrock, B&M & many more they have abandoned you & your cars, they make more parts for a Honda than a Chevy.
|GRade A ricer for ya.
4 cillinder economy cars are for daily use like going to the grocery store or going to work. if you wasnt preformance, buy a fucking pfreformance car! you say you buy imports becuse they are cheap, but then you go and dump thousands into useless mods. most of witch are american made. buy the preformance car that is ment to go fast.then add to that. and don't be surprised if your ricer paint job gets keyed while your tryin to get laid!
|wutufuck is this?? all this bitch ass americans talkin shit about civic. civic can whoop any camaros, mustang, and any american cars outthere. a 4 banger smokin 8, 10,12,even a 100 cylinders. wutufuck is dat what a shame. poor american cars. stupid fucked.whoever made this site is a dumb ass. i bet his mom dropped him when he was a baby, head first in the toilet bowl. thats why his brain is all fucked up and corroded. civic is the shit. japanesse cars are the best cars ever. but its all good, i will still fuck your mom|
|Where to start? I don't think that many of the people who drive ricers care about performance. Its more of a tool to pick up chicks. I have heard from someone who had a nice little import that he didn't care about performance that really he just wanted it to look good. Where I live people go to "Cruise the Valley" (Valley Mills Dr.) Friday night and most of the cars that you see are the ricers and the ghetto trucks. and pretty much all that they do is drive up and down this street and pull up into some of the parking lots to see who they can pick up. That's really all that these cars are for. You can find a cheap car, and then on the salary of a kid working a McJob you can slowly fix up your car until you have something you can brag about. These are the same people who listen to "music" that is just a beat with words put to it. what can you expect.
Really its all a mater of use. Why do people buy mini vans, because they need to haul people. Why do people buy 4x4s because they need to get to places you cant go with a car. why do people buy ricers, because there trying to change there social status. Personally, I choose something with more purpose.
As for working on performance, nowadays there isn't as much as you can do, as in the muscle car eras. When you go to a car show (the real ones) and look at the engine layouts. It is pretty simple. almost all of the cars have all of the engine parts accessible from the hood, you could easily change the alternator or water pump without removing the engine. If you were to look into my Nissan Frontier you have a hard time seeing past the web of hoses and wires. I have a difficult time just changing the spark plugs. However, I don't think this can be blamed for all of the lack of performance mods. $10 says that most people don't even know how the engine works, to mod anything in the first place. Society has become very dependent on one another for two reasons. First, because there is so much to our lives it is very difficult to learn the principles behind all of the devices that we use.
Secondly, Its more convenient to have it fixed or replace the stuff that is broken than to do it yourself. Back when farmers only had animals everything was repaired by the farmer because most of the time he was to far away from the nearest service man.
I am not saying that all of the ricers are mechanically impaired, but most of the people you see are kids with no clue. Its not hard to replace the tail lights with the euro style ones. It is just a couple of screws. the same goes for the airfoils you just put a few screws in. As for the body kits, I have heard its not much more difficult. But when it comes to under the hood, a lack of knowledge leaves them to changing the oil at the most. Yes a lot of you have put the airfilters on that have better flow, but how hard is that? But the thing is one shouldnt expect ricers to have performance, because thats not why they bought it, they bought it to pick up girls. And the girls aren't going to know whats going on under the hood (in most cases) so whats the point of putting mone in that area, when you could spend it on something that will be lookes at more often. The thing is that some of them get so used to saying its fast they actually start thinking that it really is fast, thats when you have to kick them back into reality and show them how puny there car really is :-D
|I know that Z28 & SS Camaros are faster then most 4 bangers out there but they cost alot more too.For example the new camaros cost about $20,000 to $30,000 If you buy an Integra GSR for $10,000 & invest another 10,000 into the motor It would be runnig 12's or even 11's for $20,000 and the camaro's would run 13's for $30,000.Any car can be fast as long as you modify it right it doesn't matter if its a 4 Cylinder or a V8 as long as its not a mustang or a sohc civic.
|I agree that this debate will never end, but again it comes down to who's car is faster. but its pretty sad when the other nite in my friends 02 exlporer sport he beat the shit out of a 01 civic and a turbo charged eclipse with a cold air intake. and his explorer is stock! And to say Domestics are not reliable! Thats some serious BS! just like vizkiz i have rarely ever seen a honda or mitsubishi on the road more that 10-15 years old without havin a shit load of problems. and yet I own a 69 Camaro that runs great! STOCK!! And I see tons of 20-30 year old camaros and stangs on the road AS DAILY DRIVERS! And working on an old chevy is easy as hell! just try to work on a civic engine yourself and you'll probably screw up all the damn computer systems. AND as far as performance, just about everything is a damn bolt on for ricers that might add a whole 3-6 HP!! and all your ram air and cold air intake shit dont make nothin. and just try to prove it. you cant on a dyno, cause in order for it to work you need to be moving! and its been proven it doesnt properly work until you are at 200mph+. So I think the true bottom line is Ricers are slow as hell and talk a lot of shit!|
|LOL everyone on here is just like the people at mu local starbucks. Everyone talks like they have the fastest cars, but when push comes to shove no one will race. I have a stock 89 mustang gt that ran 14.8 with a wireing problem with the fuel injection. Can someone give me a honda that can do that STOCK? sure you can drop 10k on a motor and it will take a stock mustang or camero or whatever, but give me 10k to drop into my mustnag and i PROMISE you I can eat that honda alive. I guess really its all about preference. I have alot of ricer friends and I laugh when they talk about speed. Everyone is going to drop a h22 or a gsr and be into the 13's EASY. ill drop a 351w and well see what times i pull :) This is just a debate that wont end. I like the rumble of a v8 - the car shaking . LOL in 2 fast 2 furious they admitted hondas were slower! in the race scence where they raced the muscle cars for slips they said couldent win. Anyways im gonna go work on my real engine - not one designed to get 30 miles to the gallon :)|
|I hate to bust everyone's bubbles, but dollar for dollar and pony to pony, you cannot beat a sportbike. Don't get me wrong, I have a Z28 project car that, when finished, will hold it's own against any import, so I'm not anti-car. But I have to laugh when some of these kids roll up next to me on my ZX9R in their little Honda or Eclipse. What can be running through their heads when I am doing 60+ in first gear? The bottom line is to each his own. Kids have always been doing retarded things to cars. In the fifties, it was lifting the front and radiusing wheelwells. Later on, it was lifting the rear end. Now it's dropping it all the way around. Just about anything is cool, as long as you don't try and push your beliefs onto others.
P. S. NOS is a company. They make a whole bunch of stuff.
|Domestics not reliable? WTF are you talking about. My 1984 Corvette is a daily driver. The only thing not stock is the cam, headers, and the chip. It is completely reliable, which is good for a 19 year old car. I know plenty of people who drive their Corvettes, Camaros/Firebirds, and Mustangs every single day without any problems. Most of the japanese cars that I see that are over 15 years old (if I see one) run very shitty and have lots of problems. The thing about them is that they're so cheap that people replace them easily.|
|Ok lets break this whole argument down and then you guys can decide what is better. If you wanna go fast without having to put lots of money to make it fast then go with domestics like camaros or stangs anything in that line. The thing is the car will not last you long unless you upgrade the stock parts and keep an eye for possible problems, because domestics are not that reliable and even Ford & Chevy has admitted that. If you want a reliable car that will last for years to come without breaking down then go with imports. This is a main reason why so many kids these days are buying hondas and acuras, its easy to fix up and are reliable. The domestic car craze is slowly dying out and imports are taking over america like a disease. Domestics are only raced by white kids who know about cars and wanna waste gas out there ass, but alot of white kids are racing imports now and domestic racers are a dying breed ahahahhaa. Honda makes the most powerful engine per liter, while domestics make the worst engines. Hondas 1.8L DOHC V-TEC can now produce out 220 hp, so thats more then 100 hp per Liter. Domestics can have 5L engines and only produce 300-350 hp and thats wack. The Domestic cars only work effeciently in high low rpm's and they suck at high rpm's. Even Ford realizes this so they are biting off hondas buy making Ford Focus' with a copy of the V-TEC, so all you domestic lovers better have a clue even your own companies realize the power of the import engines. Why would Honda make a 5.OL engine if all it does is go fast but not be reliable at all. People with domestics always have a couple of extra cars to get them around cuz their racing cars cant bring them anywhere. So to add it all up DOMESTIC CARS ARE UGLY AND EVEN THE COMPANIES REALIZE THIS.|
|This debate will never end until the domestic car companies realize making money will be in making efficient reliable cars, and all the big bulky cars with shitty engines die out. An example of this is the Focus coming out with a copied version of the Japanese made VTEC engines ( by the way Honda is getting paid for every Focus being sold hahahaah ). I have to admit the focus is impressive but is made possible with VTEC technology. So give or take 10-20 years this debate will be over and the imports will finally win the debate and the domestic car manufacturers have already seen this. HAHAH IMPORT WINS DOMESTIC SUCKS|
|Regarding: Jim's [JKLINE@mn.rr.com] statement
Hi Rev Tunerz, Ricers
Thursday, April 03, 2003
The rotary's design is more effective in deliverying torque stroke than a piston engine of the same effective displacement and compression ratio.
The rotary has a much larger effective volume displacement volume than its marketed displacement. It's the highest displacement by weight that I've used.
One half of the marketed "1.3l" is the volume of one of the two rotors. Looking at just one rotor, three burn cycles complete in one rotation of the crank shaft. The first face has continued rotating and moves up to fire again. Meanwhile the other rotor was doing the same, but is mid-cycle at this event.
This engine likes to easily spin to 8krpm, delivering power like there's no end. A stock system mates turbos with efficiency like pro race piston engines.
Straight-lining torque lovers may not like it. This is a high-power ultra-light endurance, slalom, and rally champion by demonstration and by the raw math.
I presently sport an late Audi 2.8l.
|Really what's the point of this forum. Ultimatly we are all agreeing but those who say "Civics suck" "Camaro Suck".
Should just shut up, let people drive what they want to drive. people seem to be angry at the ignorance of ricers, with there hotted up exteriors but puny 4 cylinder engines.But if you see a pretty Civic don't imediatly think it a ricer some people just want a cool looking car.
|Half the peope who have commented don't seem to get a few basic things:
1. Imports don't suck. Domestic cars don't suck. Period.
2. ANY car has the "potential to be as ast as a ferrari". Just dpends on how much money you dump into it. If you want to make a fast car, start with a sports car (ie. RX-7, S2000) and not an economy car (ie. Honda Civic). I can make a 12 second shopping cart, but that doesn't mean it's sports car.
3. The Civic/Accord/Focus/Camrey/Corolla/insert_economy_car_here will NEVER be a sports car, no matter what you do. You could dump $80,000 into it, build a carbon fibre chassis and a 1200 HP engine, but it will NEVER be a sports car. Being a sports car is about soul, not power. An economy or "A-B" car will always be that, no matter how it is modified.
4. A stock looking Civic with a 400HP turbocharged engine under the hood is not rice. A Civic with a metallic baby-blue paintjob, 6" exhaust tip, duoble decker aluminium wing, LED washer squirters and 5 pairs of foglights is. See the difference?
5. I very much dislike Mustangs and Camaros. No innovation. In fact, most domestic car manufacturers don't innovate, and simply follow the imports a few years later.
6. I have seen very few Civics/insert_rice_here actually beat a real performance car. Most of the Hondas I see running at the track are in the 16-17 second range.
7. Rice is as much about attitude as it is how you "modded" your car.
8. Personally, the only American car I would buy is the Grand National. I dislike American cars simply because American manufacturers don't innovate like the Japanese. Examples of Japanese innovation: rotary engine, hybrids, pioneers in automotive turbocharging, etc. Examples of American innovation: uhh....heated seats?
|any car can be fast if you put enough money into it, the cars that take less money are better in my opinion. buy american|
|ricer dude, a typical ricer.. ignorant, close-minded and majorly stupid. those facts you came up with have no backing and are worthless as far as i am concerned. i own a 97 camaro z28 and to me, it is the best damn car on the planet, thats why i bought it. the thing is that i can thoroughly respect a properly tuned import, or even those damn mustangs. hell, even the imports that have no performance mods and are completely done for looks, i can respect that too. the problem comes in when the driver of said non-tuned import says that they have beaten a vette with a bone stock civic. hell even domestic owners are called ricers once they start spouting ludicrus claims and generally acting stupid(ie fly-bys). i can totally understand the guy that has gotten his first car and want to modify it, whether it be a ferrari, civic or a festiva.. its all about the personal drive to make what you have better.|
|I'm just trying to understand this whole thing. If I pull up to a red light and the guy beside me acts brave and wants to race me in his Civic, he's a "Ricer". But if the guy who wants to race me has a Stang or Camaro what does that make him? A cracker? His car is just as fragile. He'd be just as stupid racing on a city street, and even dumber cause he'd probably need a second mortgage to pay for repairs due to his engine always breaking on him. Buying a Honda makes sense when it costs a small fortune for gas and repairs. Buying a honda makes no sense if you want to show the world your cars speed. People here are saying the young kids are ricers with their honda's, so I suppose the old people are mid-life crisis with their Camaro's? Personally, I love fast cars. Real ones. Japanese and American. The older Stangs are amazing automobiles. But Japanese cars are nice too. The TT Supra is very fast, and you can't get much better combo of speed and handling than a skyline R34. So yongsters, stop doing stupid things with your Hondas. And Oldies, stop hating cause you want to be young.|
|Ignorant, close-minded and majorly stupid? Sounds like a Camaro owner. In about 3 to 5 years ur going to need replacement parts if u didnt need them already on ur z28 peice of american "poop". do they even make camaros anymore? i mean really get a car with style ,practicality and a potential to be as ast as a ferrari. RICERS RULE camaro's suck!|
|Honda's are cool because they are cheap, have the most parts to be suped up with and they have low gas mileage. A fixed up honda could dust a mustang gt or whatever that piece of crap is called. I own a 03 civic ex and it already could beat some of those "good old american beauties" anyday. not only with speed but with handaling. Honda Civics are the ultimate cars espically when they are hooked up and i bet u that the Mustang gt would fall apart and need replacement peices after about 75,000 miles when honda civics with their reliable but peppy 4 cylinder engines last for lile ever. Why do u think u see so many civics on the road and not to many of those new "john wayne" mustangs.?? Exactly .. After about 1970 Ford screwed up bad with their mustangs and their " American muscle". I am actually embarassed by the way that the American Mustangs are doing compared to the Japenesse civics. Plus the fact that people are comparing a untouched civic to a untouched musyang of course the dumb mustang would win but what u should compare is a mustang to a S 2000 that'll be a race that i would want to see and it would shut up all of you "misinformed" people. RICERS RULE|
|How come people make no sense at all.
Anyways, Civics are family coupes/sedans designed to go from point A to point B. They are designed to do so with ease, efficiency and with a light price tag. They are not meant to be stripped down to all bare minimums to go faster. As stock, Civics are quick, but, after about 130 to 140 KPH they have hardly any accelleration at all with full throttle. Mainly because their engines are small but more importantly don't have any high-end power. I'd like to see how long a Civic engine would last redlining at full throttle compared to, let's say Corvette ZO6. No challenge, the rad hoses on the puny Honda would blow in no time. Civics are not designed to be riced nor designed for racing. Getting to places and getting home is the only priority for most Civics and not drag racing down Lakeshore Blvd, losing control and smashing into an outdoor restaurant killing god knows how many innocent people. By all means use Civics for vacation traveling, getting to work, but, if you want to go fast, buy a sports car.
|im so sick of u dumb ass guys in mustangs and cameros talking so much shit about beating hondas i mean damn i hope u can beat them they are all tring there asses of to push out 200hp when most of yalls come stock with more i have a honda crx its stock for now i just got it all the people with hondas want to make there cars fast they like the way they sound and love it when we fly by a mustang its soo funny to spank a mustang and can say look what I!!! did to my honda and not i didnt do shit to it FORD did every thing so you guys with ur stock ass mustangs and cameros keep talking shit and get pissed when are lil honda spank u|
|my car will beat any of your cars|
|Imports vs. Domestics = Apples vs. Oranges
You're talking 2 different worlds here. You have to realize that most of these "Ricers" only recently got in the scene. Mom and Dad probably bought them a brand new Civic for $12k. Hey, brand new car, full warranty, and for under 15k. That's why most people don't just go out and buy a Mustang or Camaro (Plus you can't by new camaro's anymore). You could buy a used for less, but then you're dealing with a used car.
These kids are taking what they already have. I'm sure if everyone had their way, not many of us would be driving a $7k car. We would all be pushing 400+hp each.
I have a 00 Civic. My dad has a 98 Mustang GT fully customized. He offered to trade cars because he would have gotten more money for my Civic. I didn't trade because everybody and their uncle has a mustang. Seriously. Take the time one day to count how many Mustangs you see. You've just gotten so used to seeing them, that you don't notice them anymore.
I hate rice. I have a lot of respect for fast imports. I have just as much respect for a fast domestic. This, "My car is faster then yours" is just stupid. I have never seen an unbeatable car. Everyone who has ever told me that they're invincible has gotten beaten by atleast one car on the other side of the camp.
|yo ppl, here's a conclusion for what most ppl say. honda sucks!!!!!!!!!! angry mom. lol, your son sucks, and so do you so keep your mouth shut you ho. and another thing, you can have a dumb trashed up civic suped up to 400 hp or 500hp whatever and you prolly paid like 50k just to be at the top, well a stock gtr32 cost only like 10k and will still yawn and give a disgusted sigh. i would know. honda just suck. hell, my old 89 tt supra mark 3 (it was only stocked with a 3" muffler and a blow off, nothing great) would of torn anybody's punk ass honda up.|
|cars suck....get a horse|
|you are all idiots..... who cares!!!! drive what you want.. oh by the way angry mom, are you sure it was unprevoked or is that what your son told you??? think about it....|
|Did anybody realize the reason that when it comes to racin the ones that are takin off and have spent thousands in cosmetic work to their cars are the idiots that have nothing under the hood, I know someone that has a car like that he says that he can beat my truck a 82 ford bronco with a 400 modified engine, with 38 super swampers on it, He has done some pretty' work to the outside but NOTHING to the engine. If you wanna race you'd better soup the bitch up!! Let me put it like this I got an 86 mazda 626 that I havent done shit to yet and I could beat his little 4 cylinder rabbit with that. It is a joke. If your gonna open your mouth PLEASE be ready to back it up.. There is nothing under the engine, Unless they painted it pretty! You wanna put the money in it put it under the hood first, you can race your ass off and then fix up the outside to look nice with the money you get from winning the fuckin races DUH!!|
|You should know what your'e talking about before you critisize it.|
|I could care less what these kids do to their cars, but when they mess with my kids that is another story. An unprovoked attack on my 14 year old will not be ignored. The brave "Ricer" that attacked my son is pretty scarce these days because he knows a woman is looking for him. I have never seen such an obnoxius group of cowards in my life! I haven't decide if I am going to beat him with a baseball bat (as he did my son) shoot him, or just crush his piece of shit car under the wheels of my truck.|
|Why not think about it like this. Your friend or whoever bought a car for 15k and put 70k into it to beat a camaro or mustang or whatever. How about buying a mustang or used camaro for 25k and putting 30k into it and beating the shit out of that stupid ricer for 30k less than the ricer spent on his car.
I have a 1984 Corvette (yes, with the x-fire injection). It's only got 300hp, and it'll take any ricer with 300hp dumb enough to try to race me. N20 is for people who don't know how to build engines, or have gotten the most out of them already. And it's N20 (2 Nitrogen atoms and one Oxygen atom, or Nitrous Oxide), not NOS. NOS is the name of largest maker of N20 and N20 accessories. it means Nitrous Oxide Systems.
|Ok, just to let all you know out there, i have absolutely nothing against imported cars. I myself have a 95 Z28 thats completely stock. I just dont understand why people buy the cheap ass civics and pour tons upon tons of money into them just to say they can keep up with my car. I mean, come on, why dont you just use the money that you dumped into your ricer and buy a car thats fast and STOCK. Then put money into it. Jesus christ those dumb fucks with the "pimped out" ricers are retarded. Civics and accords are built for getting from point A to point B and saving gas while you're at it. Those cars dont even need a tune up for 100,000 miles. Thats what they are for. Leave them that way. For everybody who wants to race, buy a car that was ment for it!|
|A ricer is someone who thinks there car is fast when its not. There is domestic rice and import rice (most common). I love all cars. I prefer my camaro Z28 anyday. But I would kill for a TT Supra. Simpily put let people do what they want to their cars, who cares. But if you talk shit about how your 4cylinder with an intake and muffler on it can whoop camaros come down here to melbourne florida and Id be happy to hand you your ricer ass. =)|
|I think that civics are gay. I also think that the majority of cars similar to them are extremely gay. I dont hate import cars though my friend has a 3000gt and i think its bad shit. I personally have a corsica Lt and i hate it. It breaks all the time and is generally shitty. I can say though that i have raced and beaten ricers "fast cars". Those things are gay who would spend $250 on euro tales. They look like shit. I personaly dont know why anyone would spend money on anything but engine upgrades. For instance new headers maybe even a new engine. I would never spend my money on body kits.|
|This post really isnt directed towards anyone really maybe one or two. Never watched the show and really dont have time to. Yet i was looking around for cars seeing how parts were and i came across this little web site here.
First i want to point out that the American Car Scene is basically over and gone with and is only left for the motorheads in the past days. Stangs, Maro's all that i think are heavy pieces of junk. Stangs, they sound cool i give that to anyone that owns one but i think there shit for the most part. Ugly look to them and they really carry no class.
I think really the only American based car i feel for anymore that is still road worthy is a bored out I-ROC Z. There are others but the people that own Chargers and shit like that collect them same with the Grand National.
I will agree with the fact that kids by import cars for daily driving see that they can do some mod's to them and they do , and most of the ones around my area look like dogshit. I own a Honda Civic 2002 Ex 5speed and got it because it would last me a while since im still young and really dont have 100k to spend on a nice looking car. Hoping to do some motor work to it [k20 swap with turbo added on and some custom exterior work] and im also in the workings of buying a 350z because i think its worth the money.
There really isnt a right or wrong to this topic its all personal choice, and honestly i think over the years American Cars have gone way down hill.
|I have a 1986 Chevy Caprice Classic and there is nothing better than beating a ricer in a street race (which i have done). My car is a heavy beast powered by a 5.0 liter V-8 engine that can get my car moving. Not olny can i beat ricers in races, but if you get into a wreck in a ricer you might as well kiss your car goodbye. Especially if you get into a head on with me, i will be stepping out to look at the dent in my metal bumper while the driver of the ricer will have their plastic bumper pushed in and pinning them in the interior. Not only are they horrible at performance and look like a messed up hot wheel car they are death traps! Oh yeah, and i paid $3,000 for a mint car all stock that can out perform some of the $20,000 ricers.|
|ah God i don't know what the rest of this website is about, but i have to agree with mr. cake on this one. i have a 1971 mustang coupe grande, which isn't exactly a sports car (3 speed auto) but it does pack a 351 Cleveland 2v. If i ever have the time i'm going to switch out the 3spd and get a 4 spd, slap on an open air cleaner, holley 4150 700 or 750 cfm (option for the 351c 4v), and a nice edelbrock intake manifold. you can't go wrong there. do a little adjusting here and there to get all that power to the ground and i'll be set. don't get me wrong, i love any fast car MADE for racing, but if you're gonna spend $70000 on a bad bad civic you should just bite the bullet and get a viper. hello. worst choice ever.|
|I've saved up a bunch of money and have looked into getting into the car scene because I've grown up around fast cars. My father's gone through 3 porche's and 2 BMW M's since I've grown up, but I don't have that kind of money to spend. I want to have a nice car, but not a ricer. About the only thing I have to work with now is a 2002 Honda Accord V-6 EX, everything stock. I really could care less about how it look right now, I just want to work on its performance. Should I try and work with it or sell it and go for an American muscle car?|
|wow... i love my car and i drive a 97 integra gsr and im proud of it, i just purchased my first mod and i cant wait to improve on it. I dont think im all cool that i have one or think im big and bad like u all say us "ricers" are. I'm proud of my car and im glad i went with an import. I'm sorry but i would never buy an american car cuz i always see them in the shop, in fact my parents wouldnt let me buy an american car because of the experience they have had in their previously owned cars. so rip apart all u want on imports but you rarely see one sitting on the side broken down. Also i do like the sound of those "fart cannons", what could u possibly have against that, they sound cool even though they dont help performance wise. Its just another way to make your car different from the norm and be proud of what you have. So dont rip on any one who drives a ricer because we are not all the same, but sure.. fuck up the kids who think they're all that but just remember there are nice "ricers" out there who dont hate american cars... thx a lot|
|isn't it weird how defensive ricers always get about their cars? there really is no talking to them about it because they'll never change their mind. the only thing i can do is take my 350hp miata and smoke those douchebags like they're a grandmother in a lincoln. and they'll never see it coming cause my paint job is chipping, there's rust around the luggage rack and i haven't done anything on the interior. but if they're really smart about cars they'll see the role-bar, the $1000 per tire and the turbo meter. but they never know anything about cars...|
|I agree with todd about what cal said, he said, "I know ricers are gay." The only thing gay in that whole sentence was the key word, "I". I own a 92 acura integra LS/VTEC I have put about 8K in aftermarket parts such as; JG intake, direct port NOS, header, exhaust, skunk2 cam and cam gears, AEM ECM, port and polished head, and 5 angle valve grind. I plan to start the bodywork soon. To all the ricers, with a little bit of money and will power you can hang with camaro and trans ams.|
|It dosent take much to beat any 2 or 4 door honda civic...I mean, my windstar is just as fast if not faster.|
|In the summer of 2002 I was driving to the NAPA store I work at in a suburb of Cleveland, Ohio. I was driving my completely stock 1994 Chevy G20 3/2 ton conversion van. It's powered by the most limp-wristed 350 combination I've seen, TBI, factory cat and single exhaust, 4L80E automatic. I pulled up to a red light and the ugliest Day-Glo green japanese car pulled up beside me. I believe that it was a Mitsubishi eclipse or 3000GT but I couldn't really tell because of the insanely detailed body work and ground effects. It had the largest wing I've ever seen. It appeared to be two large, adjustable aluminum wings bolted one on top of teh other. I leanead out of the open window slowly. I extended my left arm as far as it could go, raised my index finger, pointed and let out a hearty laugh. Rice-boy glanced up from the floor where he was laying on what was apparently a reclining racing seat. He took teh cell phone away from his face just long enough to flick me off. I nodded, he nodded, it was on. The light changes and he raced off, bangshifting away. He clearly beat me off the line so I had the perfect vantage point to witness what happened next. I saw the weight transfer shift weight to the rear of teh car. The giant wing beganm to produce great downforce and the front raised off the ground. I saw the front tires haze over due to lack of wieght and he slammed on the brakes, fearing that he had broken something. I continued to use my 205 HP and my 340 LB FT quickly passing the douche bag at what I imagine was the 5,200 RPM redline. I must guess because the vehicle has no tachometer. Imagine that, beating a retard in a hot rod with a 6,900 Lb cargo van!|
|Well, I don't take sides with either one of the articles i've read, though i've read many more than two, all of them just repeat what the other says. I understand that some people buy civics and "hook it up" with body kits and spoilers that look like "antlers", and they say it's because they can't afford expensive American made cars. Well to those people I say you're wasting just as much money putting in all your body kits and rims and cold air intakes and mufflers to make it sound like you're going fast. To the people owning American or German or any other car that isn't considered rice... your car is fast but you know what? A lot of them are ugly. I myself like Mustangs, I dislike Camaros, I drive a Honda Civic LX (FOUR DOOR!), automatic, I don't have a body kit, though I admit I would buy one, because I like the way it looks. I don't challenge mustangs nor anything bigger than a four banger, and a lot of 4 cylinder engines are taking my car anyway. I'm not wasting money on a bodykit because believe it or not, I like the wrapping called the civic, and I would actually like to make it fast. I planned on dropping a Prelude h22 engine, about 200hp... but that's another rice thing, I mean every kid in my school wants to do that, that's everyone's plan. "I have an intake, and an exhaust, man my SI FLIES!" ... shut up. My girlfriend's brother has a 2002 Mustang GT, 5.0, supercharged, he changed the headers, exhaust system, the intake... but he waited until his car was faster... i'm doing the same. A car is a car is a car, I don't care what brand, where it's from, how big your engine is... technology is making a lot of small engine cars go just as fast as the big eight cylinder mustangs and corvettes. I have clear corner lens... because I think it looks cool, not because i'm trying to make my p.o.s. civic look like a Japanese TYPE-R! Wooo... those cars are slow as fuck too. I'll post more some other time, after I upgrade my car, and my money's coming in slowly, so it might take a while. (I also own a Mustang GT, 2000, no mods, and I hardly drive it, I don't want to fuck it up, I want to make it all out drag, even if it's street illegal). Anyway, my warrior car is my civic... other hoes in civics want to race me... I tell 'em "Meet me back here in 2 hours". Fucking show up in the stang and they're like: "WTF?"... Isn't your car a Type-R? Funny, I didn't think they made the Type-R in 4 door... and why dual exhaust? You have a four cylinder engine? You guys ever seen that? Anyway... bash this message all you want, I doubt i'll even check back on this site.|
|i dont know what people see in rice burners. where i live there is loads of them, with big ass wings, fart cannons (you do realize you lose horse power with these?) and stupid paint jobs. they all brag about being faster than everyone but wont race anybody when the time comes. if your going to sink a bunch of money into a piece of junk why not just buy a mustang or a camaro or something?|
|All your base are belong to Rice. Hi Rev TunerZ is MAD T1gHt Y0! Me, Bubb and Lil' Sis watch it all the time. And like Bub says "The Hi Rev TunerZ go WOOOO WOOO WOOO" All ya'll pussys wit cars that have more then 200 horse or can run better then a 16.9 can suck my dick cus I 0wnZ J00 cause I get all teh ladies cause they think my BIG CiViC is MAD TigHT Y0!!1
And people wonder what is wrong with the world today... I pity the foo' who actually thinks that a girl likes his rice let alone most any car below the 30K mark. And to the 1 guy here that seemed to have half a brain dude Honda's are not cheap. Cheap is my Talon TSi AWD that have been known to run (I shit you not) low 12's with around a grand dropped into them. They handle pretty well (.84 G's on the skid stock) and AWD can pull sub 2 second '60 times stock. They look good IMO and can be had with 60K miles for 3 grand. To everybody else... Ahh fuck it I don't need to say anything to those dumb fucks, I've come to realize that they'll never learn.
|HAHAHAHA hey Aaron what's up? Gotta agree with you on this one, I walk through the parking lot every day to and from my car and when the day snow started melting the ricers were out in full force. It's something that will never go away, atleast not in the foreseeable future. Only thing you can do is enjoy the entertainment and embarrass them. I agree with Jim the guy put all that money into his civic, well put even 10k into your RX-7 and we will see who's faster. Take it easy, oh ya I saw another London sighting, a guy works at petro canada at fanshawe and adelaide, drives a grey first gen, license plate is vooooodoooo or something like that. A lot of o's.|
|Hey now my friend has a 69 camaro RS Z28 10 second all motor. Id like to see that SI with the 600 pound body kit and 1000 pound system run it. Also hes running a 400 shot of nitrous just incase he races a actual Honda drag car. You guys dont understand that youll be spending 100k just to get it to run 10's before having to change the motor to a V6 from a accord or NSX|
|Ok, I have respect for a few Japanese cars. These would be the WRX, RX7, Skyline, TT Supra's (not orange with green graphix) other select ones. I do believe the RX-7 came with a 1.2 or 1.3. Now that I have that outta the way I'll lay the smack down. Ok, so there's 70k in and itll fuck up a stang or maro. Lemme guess these would be stock right. Do you realize that if you dumped half that amount into almost any car you could beat lamborghinis and exotics. Jesus Christ if I put 10G's in a stang I would eat that thing alive.
The import scene is taking over because kids need daily drivers. They then want these modified. People can't see your engine all the time so they go loco on the exterior. This would be body kits, bigass wings, big wheels. They think they're hot shit cause they have gaudy stuff hanging on there car.
Ohh yeah Todd, can we get a mod list, and times on his car?
Sure they can have amazing power output on low displacement. Do you know what small displacement means? It means most of those thing couldn't torque my wheel lugs.
I have spoken. Now if you wanna make dumbass replies to this, I'll post again and rip you apart.
|i think this web site is ok
|Um, genius, I own a 1978 Mazda RX-7, a highly modded 1986 Mazda RX-7 and a 2000 Honda Insight. And by the way, the Wankel engine in the RX-7 is either 1.1 litres, or 1.3, depending on the year.
My specific complaint was about the show High-Rev Tunerz and the ricer (all show, no go) subculture...HOWEVER, anyone who spends $70K on a Honda Civic has more money then brains.
By the way, I will be in Michigan sometime near the 1st weekend in April. I will be driving my bridgeported turbo '86 RX-7. I would be happy to race, if you make it worth my while and we do so safely on a track…road course preferred, 1/4 mile is for wusses.
|Cal you can suck my dick! aaroncake this is a stupid forum! your just mad that imports are taking over the scene! Come to mich. One of my friends has a bored out civic si with turbo and nos and everything you can think of done to it! Dropped around 70k into it and yeah it will fuck up any mustang camaro or trans am out there! So just keep complaining because all you are doing is showing that you have got you ass spanked aby a car with less liters than a bottle of coke, that funny!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Get a life!|
|Hahahaha, Fart mufflers. So many ricers with Honda's have them with the Moose Antlers on the back acting as a huge spoiler. I don't see these upgrades really doing any good, just adding a massive amout of more useless weight. I once saw a Honda ricer with two huge (nice btw) 20" wheels only on the rear of the car. The funny thing is the Honda was a front wheel drive. But, I guess nothings better than driving over the speed limit down the average downtown street trying to pick up girls while having your car sound like a beached whale.|
|I know ricers are gay, ignurant stuck up kids usualy drive them. Every kid around wants a honda with a tiny ass engine, and brags about how they put a cold air intake in it, or a fart muffler. Thats pretty much the extent of their mods. They talk about beating Camaros and Trans ams and when you want to race them they just leave. Why the hell would you wana sup up your moms family car and gay it up with body kits and big ass spoilers. Watching to much Fast and the Furrious. bs!|
|why drool over a ferrari or a porsche, when in these times of financial strife we might as well be realistic. and enjoy what we can afford. I think your view on just wanting the unnatainable is kind of radical... I don't seem to remember my folks telling me about the hours of fulfilling wrench time they put in on porsches and lambo's, seems to me that it was the 68'roadrunner parked in the garage, 383 magnum, 2 four barrel carbs... what the kids are doing today is keepin g hot rodding alive... I appreciate the quality of a handmade benz, but for those "ricers" out there who are adding all show and no go,,, hey big deal, show cars are cool, there's a lot of guys out there who are going all go and no show.. dumping high end parts into the blandest of all cars. Cars are a passion, if you can't understand one person's passion without trashing it.. then where does your's lie? I could argue this point all day, in closing Cars are like sports,,, you never know who might leave a treadmark on your face...|
|Ah, a truly inspired and intelligent comment, delivered with classic wit and humour I have come to expect from a 10 year old.|
|I saw the show where the guy was describing how a turbo chargers works. All he said was the exhaust manifold was hooked up to this cylinder container, then wondered off talking about the Blow off valve. The show was stupid|
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