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guruji
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Posted - Jul 06 2016 :  10:11:43 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi Aaron I've built your mic mixer with two741.
The thing is that it's sounding distorted.
Is maybe cause I used only one 9v battery to both op amps?
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Posted - Jul 07 2016 :  09:06:03 AM  Show Profile  Visit Aaron Cake's Homepage  Send Aaron Cake an ICQ Message  Send Aaron Cake a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote
The 741 is a fairly crappy op-amp audio wise, but yes, a large part of that is going to be the lack of -9V. You need two 9V in series, ground is center, +9V is +, -9V is -.
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guruji
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Posted - Jul 08 2016 :  02:56:00 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
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Originally posted by Aaron Cake

The 741 is a fairly crappy op-amp audio wise, but yes, a large part of that is going to be the lack of -9V. You need two 9V in series, ground is center, +9V is +, -9V is -.


Thanks fors response. If I use a powerful transformer and hook both connections in parallel will solve the problem?
Thanks.
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Posted - Jul 09 2016 :  10:17:37 AM  Show Profile  Visit Aaron Cake's Homepage  Send Aaron Cake an ICQ Message  Send Aaron Cake a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote
I'm not quite sure what you are asking referring to the transformer.

But the fundamental problem is that the 741 requires a dual polarity power supply when used as an amplifier.
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guruji
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Posted - Jul 10 2016 :  03:42:46 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I meant that if I find a transformer center tapped +9v-0v-9v will this work? or a power supply?
Thanks
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Posted - Jul 10 2016 :  10:15:38 AM  Show Profile  Visit Aaron Cake's Homepage  Send Aaron Cake an ICQ Message  Send Aaron Cake a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote
Oh, yes. If you check the circuits page you will find a dual polarity power supply which will give you the basic circuit.
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guruji
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Posted - Jul 13 2016 :  03:49:14 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I've built this power supply
http://www.geofex.com/Article_Folders/Power-supplies/plus-9v5.gif

Can you please tell me how I connect it to the mixer circuit exactly?
Thanks

Edited by - guruji on Jul 13 2016 03:50:04 AM
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Aaron Cake
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Posted - Jul 13 2016 :  09:47:16 AM  Show Profile  Visit Aaron Cake's Homepage  Send Aaron Cake an ICQ Message  Send Aaron Cake a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote
Just keep in mind that the unregulated power supply will produce about 13V as the load of the op-amp is so low. Also, you will likely find the need to add additional filter capacitors to remove line noise.

Connect Vout+ to +9V on the mixer, and Vout- to -9V. The arrow pointing down (ground) connects to the ground plane of the mixer.

Honestly, two 9V batteries do the job very easily and last for years with the minimal power draw of the 741.
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guruji
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Posted - Jul 15 2016 :  09:45:38 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Last time I disconnected the ops seperately I mean from pin 7 brought two wires out to a 9v battery and it sounded ok.
Maybe with a one pole trafo this will still work ok.
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audioguru
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Posted - Jul 15 2016 :  12:46:19 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The output of the opamp must swing positive and swing negative to produce clear audio. Without the negative polarity supply it cannot swing negative and instead it acts like a rectifier and chops off all the negative going output swings which causes severe distortion.
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Aaron Cake
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Posted - Jul 16 2016 :  10:39:28 AM  Show Profile  Visit Aaron Cake's Homepage  Send Aaron Cake an ICQ Message  Send Aaron Cake a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote
What he said.

If you don't want to line power it, nor carry two batteries, then there are several circuits on the circuits page designed to produce a negative voltage from a positive. Listed under "Voltage Inverter".
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guruji
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Posted - Jul 19 2016 :  2:35:46 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi Aaron I did not understand your last post.

A guy told me of this circuit:
http://www.musicfromouterspace.com/analogsynth_new/WALLWARTSUPPLY/wall%20wart%20supply%20with%20load%20resistors.gif

I want to do a power supply with 12v out too is this possible?
Thanks

Edited by - guruji on Jul 19 2016 2:37:17 PM
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