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cyclopsitis
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Posted - Dec 13 2006 :  4:44:34 PM  Show Profile  Click to see cyclopsitis's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
Thanks Tim i did'nt think of looking at ebay! many thanks!!

Ken
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tim
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Posted - Dec 13 2006 :  4:49:49 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
i have 2 inverters and one is strange it say 200 watts but i kind of got like 300 watts out of it its new in the box and its from a few years ago but it has a huge transformer that looks like it can be modified to put out alot more then 300 watts . i may put it on ebay though cause i dont have the time to play with it.
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tim
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Posted - Dec 13 2006 :  4:52:21 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
and the other one is an old radio shack from the 1980s i had put more powerfull transistors in it and its rated for only 100 watts but now i get about 200 watts.
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audioguru
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Posted - Dec 13 2006 :  6:22:20 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Most inexpensive inverters have a square-wave output that works fine for heates and incandescent lights. Many electronic products and electric tools with motor speed controls won't work. The circuit is simple.

Then there is "modified sine-wave" inverters that produce a square-wave with a step in it. More things work with it. The circuit is complicated.

The best is a pure sine-wave output inverter that use PWM or class-D to stay cool because their transistors switch fully on and fully off at a very high frequency and their average output is controlled by the duty-cycle of the output pulses. The circuit is extremely complicated.

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tim
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Posted - Dec 13 2006 :  7:06:30 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
yea well the one im fixing is enough for me to handle as far as complicated.
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petermotosh
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Nigeria
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Posted - Dec 14 2006 :  06:59:38 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Techoduro

No big deal, Aaronīs design ???, a simple oscilator seems to me more like a challenge to make it work as inverter than a serious project, since elementary in circuits told us you could not use it that way but as a driver to other circuit to reach the goal. I donīt think you would use a fork to have soup, all you have to do is using a spoon.
By the way thanks for all the information provided by some of you, which is being very usefull to me.





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SAE140
Apprentece

United Kingdom
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Posted - Dec 15 2006 :  11:03:43 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by cyclopsitis

Hi Tim,

Where did you get that power inverter from? Do you have any ideas on what the schematic would look like or have any idea where i would get one from. I was thinking of just buying one and taking it apart.. but hey if you have ideas that would be great.



If you are looking for BIG inverters, then checkout:
http://www.qsl.net/dg5sga/inverter.htm
http://technology.niagarac.on.ca/staff/mcsele/i2k.htm

Both of those guys know how to drive Power Mosfets.

This guy doesn't:
http://www.cadvision.com/blanchas/hexfet/h-bridge2.gif

Getting Mosfets quickly through their linear region when switching large currents is critical to avoid excessive heating - so use a dedicated chip, or at least a totem-pole push-pull driver.

Colin

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audioguru
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Canada
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Posted - Dec 15 2006 :  12:19:24 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi Colin,
How about a lousy inverter circuit that has its capacitors backwards and its transistors operating with hardly any base current and having avalanche breakdown like this one?
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tim
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Posted - Dec 15 2006 :  12:41:12 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
hey ken which inverter are you talking about. was it the one i said had a big transformer? where you can get one , well i think this is the only one, and its new i think new old stock.
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tim
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198 Posts

Posted - Dec 15 2006 :  1:34:26 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
i hope someone out there can help me , i have a TO92 transistor number -KSP44013 that im trying to get the data for and cant find it anywhere.maybe someone knows where to look for it , thanks.
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tim
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198 Posts

Posted - Dec 15 2006 :  1:38:50 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
in a pwm circuit they use a pnp and npn,the pnp is a 2n5401 so would the voltage be the same as the pnp for the npn . i think this ksp44013 is npn.
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audioguru
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Posted - Dec 15 2006 :  1:56:21 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
It is easy to measure a transistor with a multimeter (diode test) to determine if it is NPN or PNP.
Post the schematic somewhere for us to go and see it.
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tim
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Posted - Dec 15 2006 :  2:03:49 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
the pnp is the 2n5401 but the other with the number i cant locate i think is npn and there burnt.
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tim
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198 Posts

Posted - Dec 15 2006 :  2:06:30 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
this inverter im working on just wont start up i substituted the supposed npn and still wont start , and changed all the ics few diodes and few zenars.
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audioguru
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Posted - Dec 15 2006 :  3:48:23 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Can't you get a service manual or schematic for it?
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