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enduro250
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Posted - Jan 01 2011 :  09:04:54 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi i was reading this page

http://www.aaroncake.net/circuits/3chspec.asp

and it says

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Thanks to Alterac for correcting some errors on the schematic that originally appeared on this page. Read all about it in the 3 Channel Spectrum Analyzer Project thread in the forum.



with the link http://www.aaroncake.net/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=5460

but it doesnt work! I have searched everywhere and i cant find any topics or discussion on this spectrum analyzer anywhere in the forum. if it is there somewhere (and well hidden perhaps not in an obvious board) then can someone please diredt me to it thanks. I am very keen on making this project. Are PCB's available for it from somewhere?
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Aaron Cake
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Posted - Jan 01 2011 :  10:17:19 AM  Show Profile  Visit Aaron Cake's Homepage  Send Aaron Cake an ICQ Message  Send Aaron Cake a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote
Weird that the link doesn't work...Perhaps the forums archive function has moved it...I'll see if I can track it down.

That topic just contained the corrections on the circuit. I just included the link as a reference but the information isn't really that critical. Just build it as on the page.

A PCB is available if you design and make one. If I had the pattern, I would have put it on the page already.
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audioguru
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Posted - Jan 01 2011 :  6:37:04 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The project used the obsolete old Panasonic AN6884 LED driver ICs. Where did you find some?
Digikey and Newark don't have any.

Notice that the LM3900 is an extremely unusual quad opamp and the circuit must be modified to use a normal quad opamp.

Edited by - audioguru on Jan 01 2011 6:38:49 PM
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enduro250
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Posted - Jan 02 2011 :  02:15:56 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi Aaron, did you say a PCB IS available or dod you mean is NOT available?

Audioguru, i havent even made it or bought the parts yet. I just want to make a small simple spectrum analyser that would work on 12 volts in a car. i dont want those massive ones you see people making on you tube. I only know the basics but can assemble stuff no worries so i dont know what a opamp does but surely an equivaleny can be found.

I would really like something like this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SB8_FFQSNSY&feature=related

or

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHLrEekimDA

Everyone loves to show off these things but they dont wanna share any info :( I have spent basically 3 whole days looking for something like this on the web and the 3 band one on this site seems to be the best so far.

I also found this

http://www.circuit-finder.com/categories/audio/sound-level-meter/521/mini-audio-analyzer
http://users.otenet.gr/~athsam/mini_audio_analyzer.htm

but to me it doesnt look like there are several different bands. If you google 'mini audio analyzer' it comes up with 3 chips listed next to it and theres some links to a You tube video but that guys doesnt seem to be working right or is it?
So im not exactly sure about that circuit yet

The 8x10 one on You tube looks really good but surely he has got another board with more components hidden away? Otheres have asked this also in the comments section as to how hes done it with so few components and a bunch of LEDS

thanks


Edited by - enduro250 on Jan 02 2011 02:23:07 AM
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wasssup1990
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Posted - Jan 02 2011 :  04:23:19 AM  Show Profile  Visit wasssup1990's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Sorry I don't have enough time to offer much help but the first video you posted would most likely have components on the other side of that board. Most likely surface mount components if that's the only board the person used.

Minimum major components needed:
Micro-controller
MOSFET array ICs or specialized LED driver ICs
LEDs
A few capacitors for reducing supply ripple.
A few resistors.

Those are the major components I would use. There really isn't much to it hardware wise. If you take this approach you would obviously need to know how to program the micro-controller though. Maybe this might be a little too difficult for a newbie. I taught myself to program micro-controllers when I was 12 or 13 years old.

P.S.
Having thought about it you could possibly make one of these without the MOSFET array ICs or specialized LED driver ICs. Just make sure the micro-controller can source/sink the current needed to power your LEDs.

When one person suffers from a delusion it is called insanity.
When many people suffer from a delusion it is called religion.

Edited by - wasssup1990 on Jan 02 2011 04:28:44 AM
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enduro250
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Posted - Jan 02 2011 :  07:57:23 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I Did some more searching on this 3 channel analyzer and it shows up on a tonne of different ‘circuit sites’, each one lists a different source/author and you click on the authors web link and you end up going around in circles to all these different circuit sites that just seem to be coping each others info and it just appears that robots and Google ads run the sites and theres nothing personable about them. Some sites have said the diagrame is all wrong. If so that means all these sites are publishing the wrong info. Then my question is who is the original author/designer of that circuit? That’s what im trying to find out anyway.


Looking at tht 3 channel diagrame on this site it looks like you could also just link on extra banks of LEDS' and as i understand it you just need the extra little section of components for the filters.

I read somewhere that car stereos basically do this all in a couple of IC's. Aparantly you can buy spectrum analyzer chips to do this.


Yeah micro controllers are way beyond me unless its all set out as a how to with instructions.. All i need is a the parts and instructions to make one and so far this 3 channel one that keeps popping up on all these sites its the best so far i think although only 3 channels. Im just not sure about it now if people out there are saying its incorrect. I will have to check the page on this site again to see if the diagrame has been altered.

Edited by - enduro250 on Jan 02 2011 08:10:56 AM
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wasssup1990
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Posted - Jan 02 2011 :  08:16:20 AM  Show Profile  Visit wasssup1990's Homepage  Reply with Quote
I always try to avoid using someone else design in a project unless it it has been proven to work on a supplied PCB pattern. I'm talking mostly about reference designs or application notes in datasheets that give you a recommended PCB layout.

Good luck.

When one person suffers from a delusion it is called insanity.
When many people suffer from a delusion it is called religion.

Edited by - wasssup1990 on Jan 02 2011 08:17:07 AM
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enduro250
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Posted - Jan 02 2011 :  10:44:08 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Yeah i just wish there was a kit or something you can buy. Tf someone made a kit could make a lot of money because i have found heaps of people asking how to make them but know one really knows how to execpt for electronics experts. I would really like to make one like that little green one with rectangle LED's on You Tube as it does look simple but i bet theres a stack of stuff hidden.

If i cant find a diagrame for that then i might just have to make do with that 3 band one on here if people reckon it works. I need it to work on 12v though.
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Aaron Cake
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Posted - Jan 02 2011 :  10:57:01 AM  Show Profile  Visit Aaron Cake's Homepage  Send Aaron Cake an ICQ Message  Send Aaron Cake a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote
No, there isn't a PCB available. If I had one, would already be on the page.

Kit, you say?

http://www.canakit.com/3-channel-15-led-audio-spectrum-display-vu-meter-kit-ck109-uk109.html

Probably the same or a very similar circuit. They all seem to be about the same.
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enduro250
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Posted - Jan 02 2011 :  7:22:40 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Ahhh thanks for that. I found the LM3900 chips. They are the same as ZL3900. Everyone was saying they are impossible to get but i found several places that have them .


Now i was reading that making a 3 band analyzer is pretty simple as shown in that diagram but once you want to add more bands then it complicates things? and you can just add on extra filters???

Also in the comments section someone asked about capacitor C18 and it has no value. Has anyone worked out what it is?
All the websites that show that diagrame are missing that one capacitor.

I compared that circuit to the canakit and although they look similar they dont appear to be the same.
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audioguru
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Posted - Jan 02 2011 :  10:18:10 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
If you add more frequency bands then you need to re-calculate the bandwidth of the existing bands to make them narrower. The "multiple feedback bandpass filter" design is in Google but uses a "normal" quad opamp instead of the weird LM3900.

C18 is simply a supply bypass capacitor. Its value depends on how much ripple is on your power supply voltage. If your power supply already has a big filter capacitor or you are using a 12V battery then C18 can be from 10uF to 100uF.

I think the CanaKit is the same circuit.
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enduro250
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Posted - Jan 14 2011 :  10:24:12 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Ok thanks, i will try out that kit
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enduro250
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Posted - Jan 15 2011 :  04:31:43 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Here is a video of what it probably works like

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=psLXahAlhWw

and

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYnH5-u_gxU

I reckon i would arrange the leads around the otherway so that instead of having 3 colours showing the bannds, instead have the 3 colours showign the level of each band. So maybe the bottom 3 led's in each band green, then the next led in each band yellow an dthe top led in each band red.

Edited by - enduro250 on Jan 15 2011 04:34:32 AM
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audioguru
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Posted - Jan 15 2011 :  5:45:44 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Most audio VU meters or spectrum analysers use the American LM3915 IC that drives 10 LEDs instead of the hard to find obsolete Japanese one that drove fewer LEDs. The LM3915 is available everywhere.
Now they are made with a micro-controller.
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enduro250
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Posted - Jan 17 2011 :  03:19:29 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Ive found places that have 6000 or more of the LM3900. Not as hard to find as i was led to believe

Just ordered 3 of the kits. i Will post up details and photos on here when they arrive and then hopefully we have 100% correct info on this kit for the future when others ask.

Edited by - enduro250 on Jan 17 2011 03:24:43 AM
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5432
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Posted - May 18 2011 :  09:47:45 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Can you correct the schematics? The datasheet of the AN6884, in aplication circuit shows the correct form to use the bargraph led display. But the autor says to build like the original post in site. Why if it don't work?
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